“Orioles big game shopping & most believe it's exclusively rotation”

[Es4M11]

Not sure how I would feel about Carlos Rodon. On the one hand I'd be thrilled that the Orioles actually made a move like this - absolutely ecstatic. On the other hand it's Rodon, talk about bust potential. Hard not to love what he brought to the mound in 2022.

What would it take to outbid the Mets, Yankees, etc. ?

[Sports Guy]

7 minutes ago, Es4M11 said:

Not sure how I would feel about Carlos Rodon. On the one hand I'd be thrilled that the Orioles actually made a move like this - absolutely ecstatic. On the other hand it's Rodon, talk about bust potential. Hard not to love what he brought to the mound in 2022.

What would it take to outbid the Mets, Yankees, etc. ?

I don’t buy the rumor. This organization isn’t taking that plunge. And if they did check in on him, it’s not like they are going to put an offer out there that gets him.

They May be interested up to a certain year and dollar amount but he will far exceed what that likely number is.

[Es4M11]

1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:

I don’t buy the rumor. This organization isn’t taking that plunge. And if they did check in on him, it’s not like they are going to put an offer out there that gets him.

They May be interested up to a certain year and dollar amount but he will far exceed what that likely number is.

I doubt it as well. And in the case of Rodon, I'd be glad to not sign him. No way he makes good on this next deal he's about to get.

[waroriole]

53 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

 

That’s just Heyman doing what Boras tells him to do. 

[RZNJ]

A trade for a Pablo Lopez type seems likely.  The question is can they get Taillon or Bassitt on a 3 year deal?   Doesn’t seem likely in this market.   The Mets will sign at least two high profile pitchers.  Between the Mets, Dodgers, and Giants for Rodon and Verlander.  Senga probably goes to one of those teams as well.    

[Just Regular]

Cot's spreadsheeting deGrom's payout structure 30-40-40-38-37.    It takes their 2023 OD actual to 160, and their CBT number to 185.     First tax threshold 233 for 2023.

[Just Regular]

34 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

A trade for a Pablo Lopez type seems likely.  The question is can they get Taillon or Bassitt on a 3 year deal?   Doesn’t seem likely in this market.   The Mets will sign at least two high profile pitchers.  Between the Mets, Dodgers, and Giants for Rodon and Verlander.  Senga probably goes to one of those teams as well.    

The Giants and Yankees decision trees have those Aaron Judge-sized forks.     I guess these are the last few days if Orioles fans have any particular hope one way or the other about NYY Judge retention effort one way or the other for Adley and Gunnar's years together to still wonder before the outcome happens.     

I think I'm pulling for Yankees keep.    A. more satisfying to beat the guy, B. back years liability.     Jackson Holliday will have $300mm dollars of Yankees to beat in 2030.

[DrinkinWithFermi]

7 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

I think he looks like a pretty typical Orioles free agent pitcher.

 

I think he has both a higher floor and a higher ceiling than a Cobb, Gallardo, or Ubaldo, and could prove to be a shrewd addition for whoever signs him.

2 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

 

>Heyman

>presumably

I wish I could get paid to make stuff up too lol.

 

[interloper]

Rodon isn't choosing to come here over the Mets or Yankees, I don't care how much we overpay. The Orioles have to prove they're a playoff team with their young talent and mid tier signings before the big boys will consider coming here. 

We still have to make players and agents believe we're the Rays: a smaller market team that nevertheless competes every year. Not there yet .

Edited December 3, 2022 by interloper

[Frobby]

4 hours ago, interloper said:

Rodon isn't choosing to come here over the Mets or Yankees, I don't care how much we overpay. The Orioles have to prove they're a playoff team with their young talent and mid tier signings before the big boys will consider coming here. 

Texas, which won 68 games last year, just signed deGrom. 

[interloper]

59 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Texas, which won 68 games last year, just signed deGrom. 

Texas also spent half a billion dollars last year and players know it's a team that will spend to keep the team competitive. It doesn't matter that it didn't work last year. The reputation has been established. 

Also it's clearly going to be one of the few outliers in the off-season in terms of top players going to a losing team. 

I'm not saying it's impossible, just very unlikely.

Also, just as an aside, that is a terrible contact lol.

Edited December 3, 2022 by interloper

[Can_of_corn]

5 hours ago, DrinkinWithFermi said:

I think he has both a higher floor and a higher ceiling than a Cobb, Gallardo, or Ubaldo, and could prove to be a shrewd addition for whoever signs him.

>Heyman

>presumably

I wish I could get paid to make stuff up too lol.

 

He's getting paid by the New York Post, MLB Network, WFAN and Boras. 

[Frobby]

20 minutes ago, interloper said:

Texas also spent half a billion dollars last year and players know it's a team that will spend to keep the team competitive. It doesn't matter that it didn't work last year. The reputation has been established. 

Also it's clearly going to be one of the few outliers in the off-season in terms of top players going to a losing team. 

I'm not saying it's impossible, just very unlikely.

Also, just as an aside, that is a terrible contact lol.

Texas has had a losing record the last six years, so spending “to keep the team competitive” hasn’t been working.  I think anyone who looked closely at the Orioles and Rangers would say we are in as good or better a position to compete in 2023 than they are.   

This is largely a hypothetical discussion, because I doubt we’re going to outbid other teams for the top couple of remaining pitchers.  But I don’t think the pitchers would be reluctant to come if we paid the most money.  
 

[Three Run Homer]

Texas has no state income tax.  I think that helps explain why they can sign big name free agents like DeGrom even though they have not established that they can be a playoff team.  

[forphase1]

41 minutes ago, Three Run Homer said:

Texas has no state income tax.  I think that helps explain why they can sign big name free agents like DeGrom even though they have not established that they can be a playoff team.  

Folks often ignore just how big a deal that is.