Orioles pursuing Wacha?

[Sports Guy]

3 minutes ago, Rbiggs2525 said:

How about Charlie Morton signing 2017?

Huh?

[Emory Eagle]

Very bleh.  Doesn’t seem like the FO really believes it’s quite time for “lift off” yet.

[interloper]

He's whatever. It's almost a meme at this point how much SG dislikes him, so I logged on expecting this thread haha.

Park could help him. We need depth. It's not exciting.

Or someone line the Cardinals will just sign him.

[theobird]

I would like a Wacha signing, said it earlier in the off-season. He would be great depth for the rotation, and when he’s healthy he’s quite good. That said, I bet we won’t sign him. 

[eddie83]

I admit. I’m at the point where I just want them to sign an arm and be done with it.
 

 

Then we can focus on complaining about what bat they add.  

[eddie83]

1 minute ago, theobird said:

I would like a Wacha signing, said it earlier in the off-season. He would be great depth for the rotation, and when he’s healthy he’s quite good. That said, I bet we won’t sign him. 

At this point I don’t know what to think but I think they will. They will definitely get someone. Morosi isn’t usually someone to just throw stuff out there. 

[interloper]

Based on some highlights I watched, he hit 95 regularly and touched 97 last season. Good command. Maybe we find a way to turn up his Ks.

[Sports Guy]

24 minutes ago, interloper said:

He's whatever. It's almost a meme at this point how much SG dislikes him, so I logged on expecting this thread haha.

Park could help him. We need depth. It's not exciting.

Or someone line the Cardinals will just sign him.

Park can help anyone.

[Sports Guy]

22 minutes ago, eddie83 said:

I admit. I’m at the point where I just want them to sign an arm and be done with it.
 

 

Then we can focus on complaining about what bat they add.  

I would like to think they decided, let’s just go with cheaper pitchers and get a better hitter.  Use our resources that way.

But no, that isn’t likely.

 

[bpilktree]

I don’t know if Wacha is good signing or not all we can do is look at normal data ERA, War, and normal stats most people can kinda understand.  However I have learned with Elias and his analytical group they don’t care about those things.  They are looking at data we don’t understand or even have access too.  If him and his group think they see something good or things they can do to make small change but get results I will back them based on the results I have seen in the last year or so from pitchers that were much worse then guys like Wacha and now are key guys in our pitching staff.   

[DrinkinWithFermi]

Just took a look at Wacha's Statcast numbers and...well...

 

Barrel%- 14th percentile

Whiff%- 12th percentile

K%- 31st percentile

Fastball Velo- 25th percentile

Fastball Spin- 16th percentile

xERA- 21st percentile

xBA- 27th percentile

xSLG- 13th percentile

 

That's gonna be a "yikes" from me, dawg 

[Three Run Homer]

He pitched well in a limited number of innings last year, but his peripherals suggest that a regression is coming.   In other words, he'll fit right in with this staff.  

Maybe Elias' idea is that we should have 7 interchangeable pretty good starters, with two of them either in long relief or on the DL at any one time.  Nobody will wind up throwing too many innings and we'll have enough depth that we can make it through the season without ever having to have guys like Baumann making emergency starts.   I don't think you can win in the postseason that way but maybe it's a path to staying in contention through the season.  

[Emory Eagle]

38 minutes ago, bpilktree said:

I don’t know if Wacha is good signing or not all we can do is look at normal data ERA, War, and normal stats most people can kinda understand.  However I have learned with Elias and his analytical group they don’t care about those things.  They are looking at data we don’t understand or even have access too.  If him and his group think they see something good or things they can do to make small change but get results I will back them based on the results I have seen in the last year or so from pitchers that were much worse then guys like Wacha and now are key guys in our pitching staff.   

I think the relevant data they are looking at for this guy is more financial in nature than analytic…

[wildcard]

I would like signing Wacha if it happens.  Believe it when I see it.   I think Holt will get the best out of him.

One of 11 pitchers that could start for the O's in 2023.   Kremer, Bradish, Grayson, Gibson, Wacha, Wells, Voth, Means, Hall, Watkins, and Baumann.

Pushes Wells and Voth to the pen which makes it stronger.   Hall, Watkins and Baumann to begin the season in the AAA rotation.

Both Gibson and Wacha can be traded in July if Means and Hall are ready to join the rotation.

Wacha likely to spend some time on the IL.  23 starts and 125 innings would be normal for him over a full season.  But some of those probably come after he is traded.

All in all he adds good depth to the pitching staff if he is signed.

[Roll Tide]

8 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

Wacha is actually worse than Gibson because he has a poor health history and not many IP.

Id probably rather have Lyles to be honest…similar production but at least he’s reliable.

He can be counted on 120-130 . He’s done that in the last 3 noncovid years.