Jump to content

Arm injury for Bautista?

Sports Guy

By Sports Guy
in Orioles Talk

 Share

Recommended Posts

  • Replies 620
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Popular Posts

rm5678
rm5678

Fisherman's Handbook is on instead.

Moose Milligan
Moose Milligan

I think this is where we differ a little. Not on our take of what Hall is, but our hopes for him.  In other words, I shudder to think of a game situation where Fuji is shaky and then Hall is the gu

waroriole
waroriole

Can we not post tweets from people with 128 followers. 

Posted Images

joelala All-Star

joelala

Posted
Posted
8 minutes ago, dystopia said:

If he has pain while throwing, then he's not going to be effective because it will affect his mechanics.

Which could also lead to him injuring another part of this arm to compensate.  I think it’s a short-sighted idea and untimely don’t think they’ll let him pitch again. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
dystopia Hangout Veteran Council

dystopia

Posted
Posted
4 minutes ago, MCO'sFan said:

He has reps and the union. There is no way the O's can force him to do anything. There must be at least some medical opinion/evidence that suggests that it is okay to go down this road or his reps and the union wouldn't allow it. 

We really know nothing other than that there is "some degree of injury" to his UCL. "Some degree" is extremely, extremely vague.

For whatever reason the organization is being very tight lipped about it. And this whole "waiting for inflammation to recede" is odd too. I've never heard of heard of doing that to get a proper diagnosis of a UCL injury before. It's all very suspicious.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
MCO'sFan Major Leaguer

MCO'sFan

Posted
Posted
1 minute ago, dystopia said:

We really know nothing other than that there is "some degree of injury" to his UCL. "Some degree" is extremely, extremely vague.

For whatever reason the organization is being very tight lipped about it. And this whole "waiting for inflammation to recede" is odd too. I've never heard of heard of doing that to get a proper diagnosis of a UCL injury before. It's all very suspicious.

I agree. I have heard of guys rehabbing a partial tear but it is rare. Although details are unclear to the fans, I am sure that his reps and the union have all the available information. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Frobby Hangout Grand Counsel

Frobby

Posted
Posted (edited)

I am really not interested in the opinions of doctors who have not examined Bautista and have no idea about the extent of his injury, and I’m even less interested in the opinions of posters.  The Orioles and their professional training staff, I’m sure in consultation with doctors who actually have examined Bautista and who specialize in this for a living, have cleared him to do a little throwing off flat ground.  We don’t know what they think or what the plan is, but I’m sure the plan is not to do something that significantly risks making  Bautista’s injury worse, or materially delaying his rehab time if surgery is needed.  So we’ll see what happens.  I, for one, do not expect to see Bautista in a game again this year.

Edited by Frobby
  • Upvote 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites
jdwilde1 Major Leaguer

jdwilde1

Posted
Posted
1 hour ago, Frobby said:

I am really not interested in the opinions of doctors who have not examined Bautista and have no idea about the extent of his injury, and I’m even less interested in the opinions of posters.  The Orioles and their professional training staff, I’m sure in consultation with doctors who actually have examined Bautista and who specialize in this for a living, have cleared him to do a little throwing off flat ground.  We don’t know what they think or what the plan is, but I’m sure the plan is not to do something that significantly risks making  Bautista’s injury worse, or materially delaying his rehab time if surgery is needed.  So we’ll see what happens.  I, for one, do not expect to see Bautista in a game again this year.

christopher-lee-regrets-passing-on-a-198

  • Haha 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
 Share
Go to topic listing

  • Posts

    • Can_of_corn
      John Smoltz on why pitchers are "breaking" and what we should do about it..

      By Can_of_corn · Posted

      I guarantee you that if Christy could only get guys out by using his best stuff he would have.  
    • DrungoHazewood
      John Smoltz on why pitchers are "breaking" and what we should do about it..

      By DrungoHazewood · Posted

      I'm going to guess that in the olden days there was a weeding out that happened before most kids played an organized baseball game. Many, many kids played baseball all day long in the summer, and many, many of them tore up their elbow or shoulder at 11 or 13 or whatever and never pitched on a high school or other team. And nobody was Drivelining anyone. Part of the philosophy of pitching was you don't throw as hard as you possibly can because it hurts and you'll ruin your arm. A few people got away with throwing near max effort, but most couldn't. And there was a very stong stigma to coming out of a game, so pitchers knew they'd be shamed and mocked if they threw until it really hurt and had to come out. In the 1910's Christy Mathewson (or a ghostwriter) wrote Pitching in a Pinch, where he explicitly said that using your best stuff except when you really needed to was stupid.  Smoltz is a guy who idiotically venerates the past, making the era where he came up into some kind of golden nirvana. But, he is right that the driving factor in injuries today is that everyone throws at 110% of rated capacity all the time. It's just a matter of time until something tears.  The problem is that there is no simple solution, since throwing at 110% is simply more effective than throwing at 90%. 90% gets you (essentially) limitless innings. But 110% makes your ERA half a run or a run lower (numbers made up for illustration). And it couldn't be more clear that when $millions and wins are on the line, essentially everyone picks the lower ERA over the more innings. An average MLB pitcher has an ERA in the mid-4s. If he backs it off to 90% so he can pitch into the 8th or 9th, he'll likely have an ERA in the mid-5s, which puts him in AAA. The difference between pacing and pitching until it breaks is often the difference between $7M a year and $70k a year.
    • Say O!
      Went to the Baysox game tonight

      By Say O! · Posted

      Thx for the firsthand report, I’m heading to the game tonight, hoping to see Basallo behind the dish.  What were your impressions of Etzels swing/mechanics?  When I saw him in spring training prospects game, to my eye he looked more slap hitterish in the box compared to the other players.  His production is better than that so it could have just been the angle I observed from the 3rd base dugout area stands. 
    • Rbiggs2525
      We TRIED to give that game away but couldn’t quite do it

      By Rbiggs2525 · Posted

      I took a few things away from that game. Gunnar is fighting his swing and timing. Mateo swing and swing decisions are getting worse as the season progresses. Kjerstad may struggle with velocity in upper part of the zone. Seattle offense is really bad and they are wasting a good pitching staff. Grayson and Perez pitched really well.
    • wildcard
      Went to the Baysox game tonight

      By wildcard · Posted

      What are your thoughts on protecting Brnovich and/or Held from the Rule 5 draft?
    • Sports Guy
      We TRIED to give that game away but couldn’t quite do it

      By Sports Guy · Posted

      Of course they didn’t play badly. Seattle was shut out and they got 2 hits. Did the Os have some luck?  Sure..which basically happens in every win and in every loss, you have some bad luck. Os also had 2 CS. Maybe something happens with those guys.  OTOH, Raleigh made 2 perfect throws and one pitch was a pseudo pitch out, ie an easier pitch to throw off of. Second fastball of 17 pitches by Baumann. If it was a breaking ball, Cowser is safe. Bad luck.
    • Aristotelian
      Orioles, Vinny Nittoli Agree To Minor League Deal

      By Aristotelian · Posted

      You just but his minor league numbers are really good. Plus K rate and low BBs. I don't understand why he wasn't given a chance earlier. Seems to have been repeatedly held back at every level despite performing well. I don't get it 

  • Popular Contributors

×
×
  • Create New...