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Please, for the sake of all that’s holy, please. Stop calling him Santa. 

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The Orioles are on pace to score 880 runs, which is 73 more than last year.   Individual players are going to have ups and downs during the year.  

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12 hours ago, Sydnor said:

It is absolutely possible. In 2022, the Mets gave a QO to Bassitt, Nikki, and DeGrom. The Red Sox gave a QO to Boegarts and Eovaldi. The Yankees gave a QO to Judge and Rizzo. The Dodgers gave a QO to Turner and Anderson.

I know that it seems to be a foregone conclusion that Santander will not be on the team after this season, and while I generally agree that it is more probable than not that he will not be re-signed, I do think there is a non-zero chance that he will be retained. I think he is the most likely of Mullins, Hays, and himself to be retained, even if it is a small chance. The team has told us how they feel about his bat because he plays essentially everyday, and I have heard Kostka say that they value his clubhouse presence.

Sydnor, you listed four teams , Yankees, Red Sox , Mets & Dodgers . You said each applied QOs to two of players . Did any of those teams lose both players ?   And were they awarded two comp picks. ?

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Sydnor, you listed four teams , Yankees, Red Sox , Mets & Dodgers . You said each applied QOs to two of players . Did any of those teams lose both players ?   And were they awarded two comp picks. ?

The Red Sox got picks 132 and 133 in 2023 for Eovaldi and Bogaerts.

The Mets got 134 and 135 in 2023 for Bassitt and DeGrom.

The Dodgers got 136 and 137 in 2023 for Turner and Anderson.

The Yankees ended up keeping their guys, so they got nothing.

 

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Not that these have ever been known to be accurate, but the guess here is 4 years $60 million: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10124473-predicting-mlb-free-agent-contracts-for-top-names-of-the-2024-25-class

Would he take 1 year $21 million over that? Not a slam dunk but probably not.

Here's the history of QOs: https://www.mlb.com/news/history-of-mlb-qualifying-offer-decisions-c300602464

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1 minute ago, SilverRocket said:

Not that these have ever been known to be accurate, but the guess here is 4 years $60 million: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10124473-predicting-mlb-free-agent-contracts-for-top-names-of-the-2024-25-class

Would he take 1 year $21 million over that? Not a slam dunk but probably not.

Here's the history of QOs: https://www.mlb.com/news/history-of-mlb-qualifying-offer-decisions-c300602464

I don't know if there is a switch hitter with more HRs than Santander over the past few years, power gets paid, I suspect they give him a QO and he gets a longer deal elsewhere.

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49 minutes ago, e16bball said:

The Red Sox got picks 132 and 133 in 2023 for Eovaldi and Bogaerts.

The Mets got 134 and 135 in 2023 for Bassitt and DeGrom.

The Dodgers got 136 and 137 in 2023 for Turner and Anderson.

The Yankees ended up keeping their guys, so they got nothing.

 

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I could see the Phillies putting Marsh in CF and signing Santander.  He would fit really good in their lineup and they like guys that are similar in that they are very good players and but won’t cost an insane amount of money. 

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We are really going to miss Tony.  Can’t see how you keep him with the talent in the minors, but I could see him being a Nelson Cruz type with a slightly lower batting average.  Definitely give him a QO. He is going to get paid and will deserve it.  I could see him on the Phillies 

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6 hours ago, baltfan said:

We are really going to miss Tony.  Can’t see how you keep him with the talent in the minors, but I could see him being a Nelson Cruz type with a slightly lower batting average.  Definitely give him a QO. He is going to get paid and will deserve it.  I could see him on the Phillies 

Cruz was a much better hitter

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Cruz was a much better hitter

Better, yes.  Much better, don’t know that I would go that far.  Cruz’s age29 season he had a 147 WRC+. Tony is at 131.  Cruz’s aging curve is insane, but I could see Tony having a couple of years somewhat similar.  
 

BTW Cruz’s year in Baltimore he had 137 WRC+ and the 147 referenced above was his best in any full year up until the age of 34.  They are closer than you are making them out to be. 

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Going to be a really interesting decision here.  Everything screams that he's the kind of guy you let walk, yet he's an above average hitter and underrated defensively in my mind.  He's not a burner but he's not slow and gets great reads.  Almost never do you see him get turned around or take a bad route to a ball. 

And then to top it off it seems like he's a great clubhouse guy who's beloved by his teammates. 

I think ultimately he's playing for someone else next year but I certainly wouldn't be upset to see him back. 

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7 minutes ago, glenn__davis said:

Going to be a really interesting decision here.  Everything screams that he's the kind of guy you let walk, yet he's an above average hitter and underrated defensively in my mind.  He's not a burner but he's not slow and gets great reads.  Almost never do you see him get turned around or take a bad route to a ball. 

And then to top it off it seems like he's a great clubhouse guy who's beloved by his teammates. 

I think ultimately he's playing for someone else next year but I certainly wouldn't be upset to see him back. 

He's slow, 21st percentile sprint speed.

He's not someone you should be locking up in his 30's.

The O's got a lot of value out of him and should quit while they are ahead.

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1 hour ago, baltfan said:

Better, yes.  Much better, don’t know that I would go that far.  Cruz’s age29 season he had a 147 WRC+. Tony is at 131.  Cruz’s aging curve is insane, but I could see Tony having a couple of years somewhat similar.  
 

BTW Cruz’s year in Baltimore he had 137 WRC+ and the 147 referenced above was his best in any full year up until the age of 34.  They are closer than you are making them out to be. 

Why could you see Tony have a similar aging curve?  Cruz was a better BA and OBP guy. He was a better offensive player across the board. 
 

Santander may have a few 500+ slugging seasons in him but he won’t be near the offensive player Cruz was.

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