Are we actually 27-14 with the highest runs/game in the AL?

[interloper]

3 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

Just wait.  If the Orioles don’t make a deep run in the playoffs (unlike others I don’t consider that a lock) half the board will want a new manager and floating the idea that Elias is a builder but not a closer and it might be time for a change.

Those people would be crazy. 

[maybenxtyr]

2 hours ago, sportsfan8703 said:

The “two game losing streak” and the “almost swept” really bothered people. Bothered them so much that maybe they’re ok without an all “homegrown” position group. 

You are the Iron Man of weird narratives.

Edited May 17 by maybenxtyr

[Frobby]

7 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

Just wait.  If the Orioles don’t make a deep run in the playoffs (unlike others I don’t consider that a lock) half the board will want a new manager and floating the idea that Elias is a builder but not a closer and it might be time for a change.

I don’t think a deep run in the playoffs is ever a lock.  

[Frobby]

I think some people are misinterpreting my OP.  I’m not telling anyone how to be a fan.  I’m just pointing out that (1) for every present negative, there’s a counterweighting positive, and on balance, the positive is winning hands down as reflected in the W-L record, and (2) the current negatives won’t last forever, just like hot streaks don’t last forever.   

[EdwinRip]

The playoffs are a crapshoot.  You just need to get in….just look at last year.  Absolutely no one had those teams going to the World Series.  Your offense and pitching just need to click at the right time. 

[RZNJ]

5 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I don’t think a deep run in the playoffs is ever a lock.  

What I meant to say is I don’t consider making the playoffs a lock.  SG started a thread yesterday like it’s a sure thing.

[maybenxtyr]

17 minutes ago, Frobby said:

It’s pretty amazing how quickly fans can get spoiled.  Soon people will be comparing us to Yankees and Red Sox fans.  

What is the purpose of this message board if people don't talk about the team? Either negative or positive? When I see a post from MLB on Facebook regarding the O's, or an O's game most of the fans are being just that, fans. I mean even on an O's post you still get Astros and Rangers fans downing the team. Last week when they lost a game to Arizona and there was a post, most folks were fairly complimentary to Arizona and happy with 2/3. I guess every fan base has their extremes, but I think most of us are a far cry away from expecting anything to be given.

[Orioles West]

18 minutes ago, Frobby said:

It’s pretty amazing how quickly fans can get spoiled.  Soon people will be comparing us to Yankees and Red Sox fans.  

Well, I definitely was spoiled for a couple decades in my youth (70’s-80’s). The O’s were always as good or better. It was glorious never being afraid of being in the AL East.

Then a new reality set in. That 14-year losing streak was way more humble pie than I anticipated.

Now I don’t feel spoiled at all. I’m grateful I’ve lived long enough to see my Birds feared again.

In essence, I agree with your original post. 

Concern by some fans is always good, but it seems early to be throwing bricks at the TV (or computer screen) based on how well the O’s are doing overall.

[SteveA]

10 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I think some people are misinterpreting my OP.  I’m not telling anyone how to be a fan.  I’m just pointing out that (1) for every present negative, there’s a counterweighting positive, and on balance, the positive is winning hands down as reflected in the W-L record, and (2) the current negatives won’t last forever, just like hot streaks don’t last forever.   

I think some fans are just inherently negative.   We follow the team so closely that we know the weaknesses of every player.   And every player, no matter how good, has weaknesses.

Because a good starter is capable of being dominant in a given start, anything less can be a disappointment.   As an exercise, find a game where an Oriole starter pitched a good but not spectacular game, say 5.2 innings, 2 runs allowed, 5 hits, 2 walks.   Nothing wrong with that.   Not a dominant outing but in 2024 it's considered pretty good.  Now go to the game thread for that game and read how many comments there are about that pitcher, and count how many are positive and how many are negative.   I think you'll find the negatives VASTLY outweigh the positives.  I mean probably a ratio of about 10 to 1.  There will be comments about how he "doesn't have it tonight" after he walks a batter or falls behind a few batters in a row.    There will be comments about how he is about to implode.   If he throws a fat pitch down the middle that is hit for extra bases that will be pounced on.   If it is Irvin or Kremer there will be comments about how we need to get someone better and we don't want this guy pitching in a playoff game.   If it is Means or Bradish there will be questioning their health.   If it is G-Rod there will be comments that he has to be better than this.   Meanwhile, there will be a very small number of positiive comments.   Yet the end results (5.2/2 runs) is probably better than average.   That's just human nature.   Focusing on the negative is more interesting to many than focusing on the positive.

[Can_of_corn]

27 minutes ago, interloper said:

Those people would be crazy. 

Hold up a second.

If Elias comes out of this years trade deadline with the 2024 versions of Flaherty and Fuji and they wash out in the playoffs you don't think it's time to question his ability to close things out?

Edited May 17 by Can_of_corn

[RZNJ]

6 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Hold up a second.

If Elias comes out of this years trade deadline with the 2024 versions of Flaherty and Fuji and they wash out in the playoffs you don't think it's time to question his ability to close things out?

I think that’s a fair question but the follow up question would be do you think that would warrant bringing in a new GM?

[Royle]

The Orioles have played 14 series and lost 3 of them.  After a couple of tough losses in Pittsburgh, they reeled off a 10-3 stretch.  After dropping the Oakland series, they followed that with a 10-4 run.

Even with uneven run production in the early going, and with some slumping hitters, they are still matching up favorably record-wise with 1969 and 1970.

I can’t imagine why anyone would be down at this point.  Were expectations for the team to be better than .660 at this point ?

 

[Can_of_corn]

5 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

I think that’s a fair question but the follow up question would be do you think that would warrant bringing in a new GM?

No, but it should be open to discussion at that point.

 

[RarityFlaherty]

8 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Hold up a second.

If Elias comes out of this years trade deadline with the 2024 versions of Flaherty and Fuji and they wash out in the playoffs you don't think it's time to question his ability to close things out?

So two playoff appearances and you’re ready to question his ability to close things out? I find it funny how so many are hesitant to make assumptions about players based on small sample sizes, but people are willing to make these huge assumptions about Elias based off of tiny sample sizes. People were also saying Elias couldn’t make a trade for a big name starter until he made the trade for Burnes.
 

And the playoffs are a crapshoot anyway. I’d give him at least a couple more years before I’m questioning whether or not he could get us to a world series. 

[RZNJ]

5 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

No, but it should be open to discussion at that point.

 

It’s open to discussion now.  I’ve seen it mentioned before.