Grade the Hays for Dominguez/Pache trade

[Frobby]

How do you grade this trade?

[Aristotelian]

We turned our RH bench corner OF into a RH bench CF and added a bullpen arm. Love it.

[OriolesMagic83]

B+.  Dominguez is a usable bullpen arm.  Elias sees something in him that can be fixed.  Hays was getting little playing time and was blocking Kjerstad from getting more PA.  Will be surprised if Poche makes it on the roster more than a couple of weeks.

[Three Run Homer]

I suspect the answers to this poll would look different if Dominguez had a bad outing tonight.  Although we definitely saw the downside of having Kjerstad playing LF tonight.  

[Sports Guy]

You turned a 4th OFer into a potential high leverage reliever and a 5th OFer who is basically the OF version of Mateo.

[24fps]

Like it.  Solid deal.  I didn't cancel any plans to celebrate.

[HowAboutThat]

Shame to lose Vinnie Nittoli. He only threw four innings but he was good enough to get more. Why not option Baker?

[sportsfan8703]

Love it. We swap a RH LF platoon option for a RH CF platoon option and gain a RH Reliever. Pache has a .698 career OPS vs LHP and he’s controllable. 

[Allan Bryant]

This trade IMO is addition by subtraction . Hays is no longer starting RHB OF with us .  Hays has done great job with us when we were rebuilding.   The other good part of this trade is RHP for bullpen, which needs all the help they can get . 
The OF Pache is a defensive wizard who has no bat . I look for him to be DFA after the deadline concludes . 

[been alongtimesince83]

That's exactly what the o's need another light hitting centerfielder to go along with Mullins. 

[wildcard]

I don't love it.  I don't really even like it.

I think Phillies probably won the trade.   They get Hays as their everyday 28 year old left fielder who is under their control through 2025.  He will probably do well for them until he gets hurt.

From what I can see the O's got an inconsistent reliever that has trouble with left-handed hitters.   In 2023 Dominguez saved two of 9 save opportunities so he probably does not help in 9th.   He has a 97 mph 4 seamer and a good slider but his sinker and changeup get hit pretty regularly. The O's pitching coaches are good at fixing pitchers and I think that is what has to happen here.

I think Hays was going to get traded in the off season anyway and I was not against that.  Right now I don't see the righthanded left fielder that replaces him. It's the return for a 28 year left fielder that concerns me.  It shows me how hard it is for Elias to acquire pitching.

Edited July 27 by wildcard

[webbrick2010]

Clearly the O's wanted to move Hayes for more than baseball reasons, so that is a success

The two players they got are not very good

Hays will easily post more WAR in his two months with Philly than the scrubs we got in return

Real good trade for Philly

[Sports Guy]

1 hour ago, wildcard said:

I don't love it.  I don't really even like it.

I think Phillies probably won the trade.   They get Hays as their everyday 28 year old left fielder who is under their control through 2025.  He will probably do well for them until he gets hurt.

From what I can see the O's got an inconsistent reliever that have trouble with left-handed hitters.   In 2023 Dominguez saved two of 9 save opportunities so he probably does not help in 9th.   He has a 97 mph 4 seamer and a good slider but his sinker and changeup get hit pretty regularly. The O's pitching coaches are good at fixing pitchers and I think that is what has to happen here.

I think Hays was going to get traded in the off season anyway and I was not against that.  Right now I don't see the righthanded left fielder that replaces him. It's the return for a 28 year left fielder that concerns me.  It shows me how hard it is for Elias to acquire pitching.

Or you are just vastly overrating Hays 

[OriolesUpAndDowns]

It’s a fair trade.  We needed another late inning reliever and Pache helps with late inning defense.  
 

Pache is an abysmal hitter though so hopefully he doesn’t get too many starts or late at bats.  

[terpoh]

Love what Hays brought to this franchise during the dark years, but this was a good trade. Brought in a guy to the bullpen who has elite stuff (most of our current guys do not), and brought in a defensive/speed minded outfielder who can backup CF. Essentially a Jorge Mateo of the outfield. Maybe this opens up the ability to trade Mullins/Mounty before Tuesday which could move me from "like it" to "love it"