Remember-Elias traded Tanner Scott 2 years ago for garbage. Good drafter. Horrible GM when it comes to trades.

[Can_of_corn]

10 minutes ago, xian4 said:

Scott couldn’t throw strikes

Nice to see the Marlins could develop him.

[OnlyOneOriole]

1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

Nice to see the Marlins could develop him.

Yup.

 

A lot of hard throwers struggle with control early in their careers.  But you stay with them because they have talent that others do not.  Elias, for whatever reason, gave up on him way way too early.  For peanuts.  It made no sense then and makes even less now. 

[PeteCanes]

2 minutes ago, OnlyOneOriole said:

Yup.

 

A lot of hard throwers struggle with control early in their careers.  But you stay with them because they have talent that others do not.  Elias, for whatever reason, gave up on him way way too early.  For peanuts.  It made no sense then and makes even less now. 

You said this in your thread title

[LookitsPuck]

First off, the O’s didn’t trade him in 2022, they traded him in 2021. Second, he was not a prospect. He had already played 4 full seasons and was 26/27 years old. He was erratic. It took the Marlins a couple years to turn him around. Some guys do it, some guys don’t.

Bullpen arms are volatile. 

[GoldGlove21]

11 minutes ago, OnlyOneOriole said:

One thing I have always been confused by is why Elias does not get more flack for trading Tanner Scott in 2022 for absolute garbage.  The trades today imo amplify in my mind that he should not be the head person in charge of all things Os. Great scout.  Bad GM.   I honestly think he has no idea what he is doing when it comes to trades.  Just today he traded two higher up prospects for a guy who is VERY average....at best.  And who cannot help us in the playoffs.  And then traded for a journeyman OF who will once again.....only block prospects. 

Make that make sense. 

But the Tanner Scott trade?  This is the King of all bad trades.  Other than the Curt Schilling trade, this may be the single worst Os trade of all time.  I remember thinking to myself when I read what he was traded for..."that's it'?  It made no sense.  Everyone could see that Scott had major strike out ability and that pitchers who strike people out are valuable,  and yet they literally gave him way.

Baltimore on Sunday night traded left-hander Tanner Scott and right-hander Cole Sulser -- a pair of relievers expected to get save opportunities this season and with multiple years left under team control -- to the Marlins in exchange for a Competitive Balance Round B Draft pick, two prospects and a player to be named later.

Heading to the O’s are left-hander Antonio Velez and outfielder Kevin Guerrero, neither of whom are within the Marlins’ Top 30 Prospects, as ranked by MLB Pipeline.

I will never understand what in the world Elias was thinking with this trade, and I am starting to wonder if he has any idea what he is thinking with any trades. 

My confidence in him is waning....quickly. 

Who would you like him to run out there in starting and relief roles? I like who we got in the last couple of days more than many of the guys below.

Povich - 6.27 ERA

Irvin - (Last 30 Days) 9.68 ERA, DFA'd

Suarez - (last 30 days) - 7.64 ERA

Bradish - IL

Coloumbe - IL

Means - IL

Wells - IL

Kimbrel - (Last 30 days) - 7.27 ERA

Webb - (Last 15 days) - 5.79

 

[dystopia]

The Burnes, Mancini and Eflin deals were really good. He’s been all over the place with trades. I’d say overall he’s been decent. But the Rogers one is a stinker. 

[dystopia]

Just now, dystopia said:

The Burnes, Mancini and Eflin deals were really good. He’s been all over the place with trades. I’d say overall he’s been decent. But the Rogers one is a stinker. 

Oh yeah and the Jorge Lopez deal was a fleece 

[OnlyOneOriole]

26 minutes ago, PeteCanes said:

You said this in your thread title

You and others keep insulting me, deflecting from the topic and being disingenuous.  

 

Instead of that?  Why not BE ON TOPIC and tell me why all of you think this was a great trade for the Os?

I am all ears. 

 

[OnlyOneOriole]

28 minutes ago, LookitsPuck said:

First off, the O’s didn’t trade him in 2022, they traded him in 2021. Second, he was not a prospect. He had already played 4 full seasons and was 26/27 years old. He was erratic. It took the Marlins a couple years to turn him around. Some guys do it, some guys don’t.

Bullpen arms are volatile. 

Really?  How much would you like to wager on that?

 

On April 3, 2022, the Orioles traded Scott and Cole Sulser to the Miami Marlins in exchange for a draft pick in the Competitive Balance Round B of the 2022 MLB draft, two minor league prospects, Antonio Velez and Kevin Guerrero, and a player to be named later.^[15][16] (On June 3, Baltimore acquired minor league RHP Yaqui Rivera from Miami as the player to be named later).^[17]

 

[OnlyOneOriole]

26 minutes ago, GoldGlove21 said:

Who would you like him to run out there in starting and relief roles? I like who we got in the last couple of days more than many of the guys below.

Povich - 6.27 ERA

Irvin - (Last 30 Days) 9.68 ERA, DFA'd

Suarez - (last 30 days) - 7.64 ERA

Bradish - IL

Coloumbe - IL

Means - IL

Wells - IL

Kimbrel - (Last 30 days) - 7.27 ERA

Webb - (Last 15 days) - 5.79

 

I am not sure what this has to do with T Scott and Elias making a horrible...as in one of the worst in Os history....trades.

[OnlyOneOriole]

24 minutes ago, dystopia said:

Oh yeah and the Jorge Lopez deal was a fleece 

I wouldn't say Burnes.  Unless they resign him.  If not?  Knowing what Elias knew about Means and Bradish when he made that trade?  I would rather have multiple years of Ortiz and Hall.  

Burnes has been very good.  Not great but very good.  But none of that matters if you can't back that up during the one year we have of Burnes.  And I would say Elias has not.

Edited July 30 by OnlyOneOriole

[HowAboutThat]

6 minutes ago, OnlyOneOriole said:

You and others keep insulting me, deflecting from the topic and being disingenuous.  

 

Instead of that?  Why not BE ON TOPIC and tell me why all of you think this was a great trade for the Os?

I am all ears. 

 

I don’t have any dog in this fight, but I think a little less hyperbole would work wonders.

I don’t even know which trade you are referencing, but time will tell about all of them.

[LookitsPuck]

6 minutes ago, OnlyOneOriole said:

Really?  How much would you like to wager on that?

 

On April 3, 2022, the Orioles traded Scott and Cole Sulser to the Miami Marlins in exchange for a draft pick in the Competitive Balance Round B of the 2022 MLB draft, two minor league prospects, Antonio Velez and Kevin Guerrero, and a player to be named later.^[15][16] (On June 3, Baltimore acquired minor league RHP Yaqui Rivera from Miami as the player to be named later).^[17]

 

My bad, forgot they did that at beginning of 2022 and not end of 2021. Either way, points remain.

[OnlyOneOriole]

50 minutes ago, Flash- bd said:

Yeah, those Dylan Bundy, Joey Ortiz, Jorge Lopez, and Trey Mancini trades were disgraceful, too. 

You are quite the troll. 

SD just gave up I believe their 2nd, 4th, and 6th rated prospects for Scott.

Tell me what we got just 2 years before? 

Because I can tell you.........J U N K.

[OnlyOneOriole]

1 minute ago, HowAboutThat said:

I don’t have any dog in this fight, but I think a little less hyperbole would work wonders.

I don’t even know which trade you are referencing, but time will tell about all of them.

Really?  You don't know who Tanner Scott is?  I mean really?  Talk about disingenuous.  Give me a break.  Some of you guys are ridiculous. 

 

The trade....just in case you really don't know (which I know that you do)... I am referencing is the Os traded Tanner Scott, who has been one of the best relievers in baseball the last year and a half and another pitcher on the MLB staff..for nobody.   Literally nobody.

Meanwhile the Marlins just traded Scott, just 2 years later, for the Padres 2nd, 4th, and 6th rated prospects.  So not only did Miami get great value out of Scott playing wise?  They just got even better value out of him bartering wise.

We were fleeced in 2022.  Absolutely fleeced.  And yet no one here ever says a word about it.  Very odd.