Westburg/Urias activated

[Tony-OH]

09/22/24	Baltimore Orioles activated 3B Ramón Urías from the 10-day injured list.
09/22/24	Baltimore Orioles activated 3B Jordan Westburg from the 10-day injured list.
09/22/24	Baltimore Orioles optioned CF Daniel Johnson to Norfolk Tides.
09/22/24	Baltimore Orioles optioned SS Livan Soto to Norfolk Tides.

[Tony-OH]

Let's be honest, if Holliday isn't who he is, he's going down and Soto is staying up. Soto had some professional at bats and is versatile.

[wildcard]

With Westy and Urias back neither Holliday nor Soto will/woud play much the rest of the season or in the playoffs.

O's Spring Training should be interesting because all 4 of these players will probably be there.

Liv Soto looks like a better defensive 2B than Holliday at the moment.   Holliday has the higher ceiling which will hopefully be realized at soon point in the future.  But Westy and Urias both can play a good 2B.

[allquixotic]

The guys who helped us win in the first half coming back in time for the playoffs might move the needle for us having a successful playoff run (winning the WC). But we really need our starters and ideally Bautista.

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

38 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

Let's be honest, if Holliday isn't who he is, he's going down and Soto is staying up. Soto had some professional at bats and is versatile.

I agree the best 2B/SS/3B starting combination right now is Westburg, Gunnar and Urias. Soto provides more value than Holliday as a utility/backup infielder. Holliday is the future, but not this year.

[SteveA]

1 hour ago, Tony-OH said:

09/22/24	Baltimore Orioles activated 3B Ramón Urías from the 10-day injured list.
09/22/24	Baltimore Orioles activated 3B Jordan Westburg from the 10-day injured list.
09/22/24	Baltimore Orioles optioned CF Daniel Johnson to Norfolk Tides.
09/22/24	Baltimore Orioles optioned SS Livan Soto to Norfolk Tides.

I don't understand a new thread on this today.   These moves happened yesterday morning and they played in yesterday's game.

[Tony-OH]

8 minutes ago, SteveA said:

I don't understand a new thread on this today.   These moves happened yesterday morning and they played in yesterday's game.

No one started a transaction thread for these moves so I thought I'd stick one up for someone who may have just perused the board for news. 

Sometimes our community sticks these in other threads and I think moves should have their own thread so people can discuss or at least get the news. 

My apologies if starting the thread seems unnecessary to you.

[OriolesMagic83]

1 hour ago, wildcard said:

With Westy and Urias back neither Holliday nor Soto will/woud play much the rest of the season or in the playoffs.

O's Spring Training should be interesting because all 4 of these players will probably be there.

Liv Soto looks like a better defensive 2B than Holliday at the moment.   Holliday has the higher ceiling which will hopefully be realized at soon point in the future.  But Westy and Urias both can play a good 2B.

It's likely that Holliday's playing time will be limited in the playoffs.  Come opening day next year, Holliday needs to be starting every day.  Next year needs to either be his year to make it or fall on his face.  If the O's aren't committed to him, they might as well trade him this offseason for some pitching.  One thing I've noticed is that even though Holliday's stat line has been awful, he's gotten a good amount of production when he finally gets a hit.  Sort of an anti Cowser in that he gets his hits at the best times.

[Spy Fox]

11 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

No one started a transaction thread for these moves so I thought I'd stick one up for someone who may have just perused the board for news. 

Sometimes our community sticks these in other threads and I think moves should have their own thread so people can discuss or at least get the news. 

My apologies if starting the thread seems unnecessary to you.

There was one, it just didn't call out Urias/Westburg by name: 

 

[bpilktree67]

Holliday has more value in the playoffs in my opinion as a pinch runner which is why he is still on team.  You are not going to pinch hit for guys starting now except maybe O’Hearn for a right hander, or Mullins and Slater platoon type thing.  Soto brings good defense but not a huge upgrade over Westy or Urias who both are above average defense guys.  The one place that either is below average is Urias baserunning and a place you might need a guy to go 1st to third or score from second late in a game which Holliday is much faster then Soto.  

[eddie83]

14 minutes ago, bpilktree67 said:

Holliday has more value in the playoffs in my opinion as a pinch runner which is why he is still on team.  You are not going to pinch hit for guys starting now except maybe O’Hearn for a right hander, or Mullins and Slater platoon type thing.  Soto brings good defense but not a huge upgrade over Westy or Urias who both are above average defense guys.  The one place that either is below average is Urias baserunning and a place you might need a guy to go 1st to third or score from second late in a game which Holliday is much faster then Soto.  

Fair assessment. Soto did play well but the speed is there from Jackson.  

[Tony-OH]

35 minutes ago, Spy Fox said:

There was one, it just didn't call out Urias/Westburg by name: 

 

That's not a very helpful title then. When I glanced through I didn't see Westburg and Urias' name. Appreciate you at least starting one but I did not see it.

[Spy Fox]

11 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

That's not a very helpful title then. When I glanced through I didn't see Westburg and Urias' name. Appreciate you at least starting one but I did not see it.

I didn't start it, and I think the title was formatted in the mold of several other recent threads called "x date roster moves" or something similar. 

But you're right that the title doesn't capture the significance of getting these two back in the lineup, and because of that some folks might have missed it. There's more to chew on here than "Bryan Baker optioned, Nick Vespi recalled." 

[Tony-OH]

5 minutes ago, Spy Fox said:

I didn't start it, and I think the title was formatted in the mold of several other recent threads called "x date roster moves" or something similar. 

But you're right that the title doesn't capture the significance of getting these two back in the lineup, and because of that some folks might have missed it. There's more to chew on here than "Bryan Baker optioned, Nick Vespi recalled." 

Exactly. Plus, I just think it makes it easier to peruse the board for the latest news. This community typically is good at doing that, but people have been burying transactions on other threads for some reason lately.