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tilgaham Major Leaguer Cup of Coffee

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Yea, i don't think people really understand how bad things are.

I wonder if someone got fired and offered their inside the warehouse take to the Sun, if the Sun would write an insider piece to tell the public what's really going on.

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clapdiddy Hangout Grand Counsel

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Haha of course not. The coaching and development staff just sucks. There are a handful of good guys trying their best, but this organization is just generally awful.

Just curious, RVA...what do you think of Mike Griffin? There's been talk of him on this board about being the pitching coach. Do you think he'd be a good candidate? I'm curious because our pitchers, for the most part, come up here and stink.

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Just curious, RVA...what do you think of Mike Griffin? There's been talk of him on this board about being the pitching coach. Do you think he'd be a good candidate? I'm curious because our pitchers, for the most part, come up here and stink.

Personally, I love Griffin. One of the good guys, for sure. If he doesn't get a ML job with Baltimore soon he will somewhere else.

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I know he's an O's HOFer and I hate to do it, but I have to throw this name out there: Scott McGregor. He's been in the system for 6-7 years now at various levels. Anyone have any thoughts on what he is bringing to the system?

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I don't really think anything on our developmental side could shock me. If I found out that there was a dancing iguana that determined how quickly players moved from rookie ball to AAA, I would find that less shocking than some of the aspects of our minor league system. There is very little we do right. It makes very little sense to me. There's not many franchises that seem to do everything wrong. Even an awful team can do a few things right and get a few players to the majors.

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Wasn't there an O's pitcher who, after being traded, made a statement about how he was happy to be out of an organization where there was no consistency from one level to another? With the history that this team has with blowing out young pitchers arms, there has to be a problem in the system somewhere.

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Wasn't there an O's pitcher who, after being traded, made a statement about how he was happy to be out of an organization where there was no consistency from one level to another? With the history that this team has with blowing out young pitchers arms, there has to be a problem in the system somewhere.

That was Leo Mazzone.

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Camden_yardbird Hangout Grand Counsel

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Yea, i don't think people really understand how bad things are.

Yea, it has to be that bad organizationally for the major league team to be that bad. Unfortunately its going to take the owner to make the changes necessary to fix it. I dont know if anyone is familiar with the Pirates story, but its quite similar.

Basically the team had a majority owner in Bob Nutting and a minority partner Kevin McClatchy who was acting team president. Dave Littlefield was the GM. So Nutting goes on a tour of the clubs facilities, minor league, Latin America and elsewhere and is appalled by what he sees. Facilities are in ruins, there is no organizational philosophy, and generally there is little investment in development. Nutting goes back, supplants McClatchy and replaces Littlefield with Huntington. He then tells the fan base what they don't want to hear but have to be told. This organization does not have the money to make the improvements that are required to be made to development and pay for a mlb team. So the organization guts he major league team and begins pouring massive amounts of capital into the minors and development.

The point of this is that the Orioles sound like they are in a similar situation in that the developmental sidebar things has been ignored. The difference though is that the Orioles have the ability to both fix what is wrong developmentally and pay for an on the field product that won't embarrass itself. Unfortunately with the Pirates it took the intervention of the owner to get the right things done.

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Yea, it has to be that bad organizationally for the major league team to be that bad. Unfortunately its going to take the owner to make the changes necessary to fix it. I dont know if anyone is familiar with the Pirates story, but its quite similar.

Basically the team had a majority owner in Bob Nutting and a minority partner Kevin McClatchy who was acting team president. Dave Littlefield was the GM. So Nutting goes on a tour of the clubs facilities, minor league, Latin America and elsewhere and is appalled by what he sees. Facilities are in ruins, there is no organizational philosophy, and generally there is little investment in development. Nutting goes back, supplants McClatchy and replaces Littlefield with Huntington. He then tells the fan base what they don't want to hear but have to be told. This organization does not have the money to make the improvements that are required to be made to development and pay for a mlb team. So the organization guts he major league team and begins pouring massive amounts of capital into the minors and development.

The point of this is that the Orioles sound like they are in a similar situation in that the developmental sidebar things has been ignored. The difference though is that the Orioles have the ability to both fix what is wrong developmentally and pay for an on the field product that won't embarrass itself. Unfortunately with the Pirates it took the intervention of the owner to get the right things done.

MacPhail was supposed to be doing this. I know Angelos has his favorites in the organization, but MacPhail has let too much crap slide through the cracks under his watch.

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