Trade Schoop?

[Redskins Rick]

That is it.

The default is 2014 postseason.

Dang, my apologies.

[Redskins Rick]

I'm still trying to figure out why you're using batting average as your main argument.

Schoop is far-and-away the better, more valuable player than Steve Lombardozzi. Lombo was the single least valuable player on the Orioles this past season based on WAR. And if you don't like WAR, which is fine by me, then you can point to Lombo's lack of defensive ability, his lack of power, and his lack of speed, all of which make him exceedingly useless as a starting player.

Schoop has power, defensive prowess, and room to improve. Batting Average, for crying out loud, should never, ever be the crux of your argument in defense of a player.

Lombo inability to play good defense, put him in the minors.

[auzzy98]

Who else did we have in the minors this year at second? I just used Lombo as an example. Out of the guys we had Schoop may have very well been our best option. But why did he have to play virtually every day? If his bat was so bad, and he couldn't get on base, what would the reason be for not playing Flaherty there some as the season went along? Maybe even 2 days a week. I'm assuming you will all say it was because of his defense, and i get that. I just can't get over the fact that we may have a good defensive second baseman, but he only hits .209. That's simply not good enough is it?

I'm still trying to figure out why you're using batting average as your main argument.

Schoop is far-and-away the better, more valuable player than Steve Lombardozzi. Lombo was the single least valuable player on the Orioles this past season based on WAR. And if you don't like WAR, which is fine by me, then you can point to Lombo's lack of defensive ability, his lack of power, and his lack of speed, all of which make him exceedingly useless as a starting player.

Schoop has power, defensive prowess, and room to improve. Batting Average, for crying out loud, should never, ever be the crux of your argument in defense of a player.

If you go back and read my other comments, I had said i just used Lombo as an example. You don't have to take everything I say so literally. I never said Lombo should be playing everyday over Schoop. Plus i also mentioned his OBP everytime i mentioned his BA. You tend to leave out important facts of other peoples comments so that yours sound right.

[quidam]

Yea you pretty much can assume it. Not even counting the factors I quoted from the rotographs piece if you look at players who made their full season debut at the age of 22 in most cases those players substantially improved over the next few years.

Now we can't guarantee it, but I feel pretty secure in assuming it.

Of course even if he is totally stagnant in his value going forward you can do a lot worse then 1.6 WAR for 500 K.

For a player who has severe holes in his swing and was aggressively promoted through the minors will probably not see marked improvement each year to the point where he peaks. Schoop will take the long route with his progression if he ever makes it.

If he had better control of the strike zone I would be more confident in significant improvements next year. I don't think the improvents he does make will be big enough to help this offense next year.

For a team with long term question marks at several positions and a top heavy farm system that is pitching dominated; its a legitimate question on whether or not they can wait on Schoop's development.

This doesn't even account for the fact that the value his defense provides, which we all are confident in, is tied to a position he may outgrow.

[quidam]

It's a meme. The Orioles need to be blown up because they are slow and do not get on base. Especially they do not take walks, because they hit the ball too much. Or they strikeout. And they are not in the World Series. Or something.

This was a great contribution.

[weams]

It must be the offseason on the OH when an opinion that is different from the masses is met with comments like "Go get educated and come back." and "Maybe we can dump him with Tillman, Norris, Hardy, Britton, and Pearce."

There are logical reasons to use Schoop in a trade. First, his value seems to be tied to his defense. If he continues to grow he will be too big for 2nd base. Will his bat play at other positions?

Schoop is on a team that struggles with obp. A side of Schoop's game which is severely lacking. As presently constructed there are few positions that are open for improvement. Using Schoop in a trade can help change the dynamic of the team.

You can't assume that his career will see gradual improvement. Players regress and progress. He would be valuable in a trade as part of a package. Another year with similar offensive numbers and his value then plummets.

A rookie is expected to improve. Especially when that rookie was 22 and not 27. If he doesn't the small incremental offensive improvement can be addressed at the deadline. There is that better? if we are keeping Nick, which it appears we are, and Matt and Manny are returning which we hope they are, I really do not see any place were we can significantly increase our on base percentage, and getting rid of Schoop is not going to really correct that.

[Can_of_corn]

For a player who has severe holes in his swing and was aggressively promoted through the minors will probably not see marked improvement each year to the point where he peaks. Schoop will take the long route with his progression if he ever makes it.

If he had better control of the strike zone I would be more confident in significant improvements next year. I don't think the improvents he does make will be big enough to help this offense next year.

For a team with long term question marks at several positions and a top heavy farm system that is pitching dominated; its a legitimate question on whether or not they can wait on Schoop's development.

This doesn't even account for the fact that the value his defense provides, which we all are confident in, is tied to a position he may outgrow.

Rotographs suggests that through regression alone he should hit 250/300 next year. That bump should mean he hits 20+ HR.

You don't think a plus glove and 20+ HR with a 250/300 line plays in the majors for 500K? And that doesn't even account for the growth that almost all 22 year old rookies enjoy.

[weams]

Rotographs suggests that through regression alone he should hit 250/300 next year. That bump should mean he hits 20+ HR.

You don't think a plus glove and 20+ HR with a 250/300 line plays in the majors for 500K? And that doesn't even account for the growth that almost all 22 year old rookies enjoy.

But. It does not address the OBP hole so it it insufficient to allow for improvement in other areas. Only a .350 OBP guy at second will do.

[auzzy98]

Rotographs suggests that through regression alone he should hit 250/300 next year. That bump should mean he hits 20+ HR.

You don't think a plus glove and 20+ HR with a 250/300 line plays in the majors for 500K? And that doesn't even account for the growth that almost all 22 year old rookies enjoy.

I'd be happy with that at the end of the season if Schoop put up those numbers. Although it would come with periods of extreme frustration when he does his best Mark Reynolds impressions of striking out 10 of 12 times and having multiple 0-30 streaks.

[Can_of_corn]

I'd be happy with that at the end of the season if Schoop put up those numbers. Although it would come with periods of extreme frustration when he does his best Mark Reynolds impressions of striking out 10 of 12 times and having multiple 0-30 streaks.

I never predicted a smooth ride.

[Can_of_corn]

But. It does not address the OBP hole so it it insufficient to allow for improvement in other areas. Only a .350 OBP guy at second will do.

Cano, Altuve, Zobrist.

[Reboulet'sStache]

Rotographs suggests that through regression alone he should hit 250/300 next year. That bump should mean he hits 20+ HR.

You don't think a plus glove and 20+ HR with a 250/300 line plays in the majors for 500K? And that doesn't even account for the growth that almost all 22 year old rookies enjoy.

That's the big one. Schoop is going to be giving us a ton of excess value based purely on his contract and small levels of progression.

[Redskins Rick]

Cano, Altuve, Zobrist.

None of which, is in the payroll reach of this team.

[auzzy98]

I never predicted a smooth ride.

No, and that usually happens with most of the guys at some point in the season. I tend to get about the most angry at our best all around player when he goes back to his roots, and goes through a streak of swinging at breaking balls in the dirt. Oh well, gotta roll with it

[Can_of_corn]

That's the big one. Schoop is going to be giving us a ton of excess value based purely on his contract and small levels of progression.

Plus he is so much fun to watch on defense.