Trade Schoop?

[Can_of_corn]

Well defense counts, and Lombardozzi was only 8% more efficient than creating runs last year than Schoop was. Look at it this way, last year Lombardozzi had a -0.4 rWAR despite his .288 BA (with no power and bad defense) while Schoop had a 1.5 rWAR (with has .244 OBP, good power and excellent defense).

This doesn't even get into the obvious upside difference between the two players.

Maybe Dan-o, Corn and I know how to look up sabremetrics and are "guessing" to some degree but it sure looks like the Orioles, Buck included, didn't have much faith in Lombardozzi and his .288 batting average.

I will readily admit we are guessing. It is about probabilities.

There is a chance that Schoop's bat doesn't improve to a noticeable degree and that his defense declines. He certainly wasn't known as a glove man in the minors and he is very large for a second baseman. I for one am a bit concerned he shows up for spring training at 250 pounds.

[weams]

I will readily admit we are guessing. It is about probabilities.

There is a chance that Schoop's bat doesn't improve to a noticeable degree and that his defense declines. He certainly wasn't known as a glove man in the minors and he is very large for a second baseman. I for one am a bit concerned he shows up for spring training at 250 pounds.

And moves to first base?

[Can_of_corn]

And moves to first base?

He certainly doesn't have the bat for first right now.

He does however appear to have the arm for right field.

[CA-ORIOLE]

I will readily admit we are guessing. It is about probabilities.

There is a chance that Schoop's bat doesn't improve to a noticeable degree and that his defense declines. He certainly wasn't known as a glove man in the minors and he is very large for a second baseman. I for one am a bit concerned he shows up for spring training at 250 pounds.

Sure, but there's a difference between probabilities and guessing. Maybe does get fat and never hits. No one knows. Still, he's a better choice than Lombardozzi.

[Can_of_corn]

Sure, but there's a difference between probabilities and guessing. Maybe does get fat and never hits. No one knows. Still, he's a better choice than Lombardozzi.

For the record I wasn't implying fat. I think his frame has room for another 15 healthy pounds. Just not at second base.

[CA-ORIOLE]

For the record I wasn't implying fat. I think his frame has room for another 15 healthy pounds. Just not at second base.

I think he's athletic enough to handle second base with a large frame. I still think he has the skills for 3rd, but I don't see him hitting enough (and we have MM there). That said, I could see him putting up 30+ homeruns one of these years.

[Can_of_corn]

I think he's athletic enough to handle second base with a large frame. I still think he has the skills for 3rd, but I don't see him hitting enough (and we have MM there). That said, I could see him putting up 30+ homeruns one of these years.

I am not predicting any 6 win years out of him but I do think he can be an average to above average player while he is under team control.

[Redskins Rick]

I am not predicting any 6 win years out of him but I do think he can be an average to above average player while he is under team control.

I would love to see improvement in next year, and I think it's not unreasonable to expect some.

Too many other important decisions in this roster to worry about 2nd for now.

[auzzy98]

Sure, but there's a difference between probabilities and guessing. Maybe does get fat and never hits. No one knows. Still, he's a better choice than Lombardozzi.

Who else did we have in the minors this year at second? I just used Lombo as an example. Out of the guys we had Schoop may have very well been our best option. But why did he have to play virtually every day? If his bat was so bad, and he couldn't get on base, what would the reason be for not playing Flaherty there some as the season went along? Maybe even 2 days a week. I'm assuming you will all say it was because of his defense, and i get that. I just can't get over the fact that we may have a good defensive second baseman, but he only hits .209. That's simply not good enough is it?

[weams]

Who else did we have in the minors this year at second? I just used Lombo as an example. Out of the guys we had Schoop may have very well been our best option. But why did he have to play virtually every day? If his bat was so bad, and he couldn't get on base, what would the reason be for not playing Flaherty there some as the season went along? Maybe even 2 days a week. I'm assuming you will all say it was because of his defense, and i get that. I just can't get over the fact that we may have a good defensive second baseman, but he only hits .209. That's simply not good enough is it?

Yeah it's ok. Since he was a 22 year old rookie and expected to improve.

[Can_of_corn]

Who else did we have in the minors this year at second? I just used Lombo as an example. Out of the guys we had Schoop may have very well been our best option. But why did he have to play virtually every day? If his bat was so bad, and he couldn't get on base, what would the reason be for not playing Flaherty there some as the season went along? Maybe even 2 days a week. I'm assuming you will all say it was because of his defense, and i get that. I just can't get over the fact that we may have a good defensive second baseman, but he only hits .209. That's simply not good enough is it?

Because of the strike out rate of the O's pitchers.

If you are going to run guys out there who can't strike folks out you best have a defense that can make plays.

[auzzy98]

Because of the strike out rate of the O's pitchers.

If you are going to run guys out there who can't strike folks out you best have a defense that can make plays.

And take an automatic out on offense?

[auzzy98]

Yeah it's ok. Since he was a 22 year old rookie and expected to improve.

I just wish we would have left him in the minors another half year at least to see if he improved

[Redskins Rick]

I just wish we would have left him in the minors another half year at least to see if he improved

Playing at the AAA, isn't the same as the MLB level.

Schoop was the best option for this team.

He deserves credit for helping get the team, to where it did.

[weams]

Schoop needs to improve. It's reasonable to expect improvement. .209 is not good enough.

Accurate to a T. And I did wish that he had been left in the minors until May 15. Just not because of his "development."