Mussina does not make my HOF ballot

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But Pedro will get in first ballot. Just not with your vote.

Probably.

[weams]

Probably.

The thing is with Pedro, you have to throw all the counting stats out. He was pitching against McGwire, and Bonds. And Sosa. And Juan Gonzalez.

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[wildcard]

Fact: The Major league stabilized on the 5 man rotation in 1975. 39 years ago.

No starter has been voted into the HOF with as few innings pitched as Pedro in those 39 years.

[El Gordo]

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How'd they play when Mussina wasn't pitching? I feel like in 1998-2000 they were pretty bad except when Moose was on the mound.

The O's were over .500, 4 of the 10 years Mussina pitched for them. The MFY never under .500.

[weams]

Fact: The Major league stabilized on the 5 man rotation in 1975. 39 years ago.

No starter has been voted into the HOF with as few innings pitched as Pedro in those 39 years.

Two, of the top ten pitching seasons of all time.

[wildcard]

The thing is with Pedro, you have to throw all the counting stats out. He was pitching against McGwire, and Bonds. And Sosa. And Juan Gonzalez.

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And Koufax pitched against Aaron, Mays, Mantle, FRobinson, etc.

[weams]

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Pedro.

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[El Gordo]

How can you rank pitchers by innings pitched while disregarding that Pedro is one of only a handful of those pitchers ranked to have pitched in a five man rotation for his entire career? If you pitch in a five man rotation you will make 8 fewer starts a season. If you make 8 fewer starts a season you will end up with fewer innings pitched. It isn't complicated.

I suppose some benighted souls believe it is easier getting outs, if you have fewer IP per season.

[weams]

And Koufax pitched against Aaron, Mays, Mantle, FRobinson, etc.

The mound was higher. And they did not have real steroids.

[wildcard]

How can you rank pitchers by innings pitched while disregarding that Pedro is one of only a handful of those pitchers ranked to have pitched in a five man rotation for his entire career? If you pitch in a five man rotation you will make 8 fewer starts a season. If you make 8 fewer starts a season you will end up with fewer innings pitched. It isn't complicated.

A pitcher that starts 40 games and pitches 300 innings is more value than a pitcher that starts 33 games and pitches 200 innings. It isn't complicated.

[wildcard]

The mound was higher. And they did not have real steroids.

And they didn't use reliever near as much. Pitcher pitched complete games.

[weams]

And they didn't use reliever near as much. Pitcher pitched complete games.

So they got more wins and pitched more innings. They faced pitchers and catchers who hit .230. And there were no real Eastern European steroids.

[El Gordo]

The mound was higher. And they did not have real steroids.

The mound was higher and the strike zone was larger. And the ball.........???

[MurphDogg]

A pitcher that starts 40 games and pitches 300 innings is more value than a pitcher that starts 33 games and pitches 200 innings. It isn't complicated.

Super, so no more pitchers in the Hall of Fame then. Seems reasonable.

[MurphDogg]

Fact: The Major league stabilized on the 5 man rotation in 1975. 39 years ago.

No starter has been voted into the HOF with as few innings pitched as Pedro in those 39 years.

How did Palmer start 40 games in 1976 in a 5 man rotation?