This is A Mess (Mega RANT Thread)

[Crazysilver03]

YUP... and also maybe a SP too.

There was no way to know that the SP would take such a step back this year. Anyone advocating that we should have signed a SP is doing so with hindsight and it was not done during the winter.

Sent from my LG-D850 using Tapatalk

[notyourbuddy]

Andrew Miller - 4/36. We just gave a divisional rival are stud reliever.

Do you think that if the Os offered 4/36 the Yanks wouldn't have countered with 4/40?

NY doesn't like to lose bidding wars.

[Aristotelian]

Do you think that if the Os offered 4/36 the Yanks wouldn't have countered with 4/40?

NY doesn't like to lose bidding wars.

Actually rumor has it that someone offered 4/$40M but he just wanted to play for the Yankees.

[JayThomas]

They won't be Miller prices.

IF you could sign him to a 3-4 year extension at 7-8 per, I'd do that. Yesterday. That guy has been our most important pitcher the last 4 years.

So you'd do 4/32 for O'Day but not 4/36 for Miller? Yikes.

[El Gordo]

I'm pretty sure that you missed a memo. It's 100% fact that those contracts are going to be horrible for all of 2017 and 2018. Whew. Glad we dodged that bullet.

Not 100 per cent more like 90.

[Nevermore]

" 4. Nelson Cruz- Is having a great season with the Mariners but four years is too much for a 34 year old DH."

Really?

Tell that to 39 yr old Alex Rodriguez.

I think its crystal clear that the Orioles made a mistake not resigning Cruz and giving him the 4 years..

Thank you. Someone who actually agrees with me. I said that the O's should resign Cruz, but the vast majority here said that DD was correct in not resigning him, so I decided to stop beating a dead horse. Now I'm sorry that I did.

[Nevermore]

Actually rumor has it that someone offered 4/$40M but he just wanted to play for the Yankees.

Miller wanted to be a closer. The Yanks had a closer position open since Robertson had left for the White Sox. The Orioles didn't (and still don't) need a closer. We already have an excellent closer in Zach Britton.

[Singleton]

While I agree with the general tone of your post, the problem is that there weren't a lot of good options. In fact, if you look at all the top position player signings, most of them have been busts so far.

1. Pablo Sandoval- Is hitting .266/.308/.388 is one of the most hitter friendly ballparks in baseball

2. Hanley Ramirez- Is having a good season with the Red Sox but is way too expensive for the Orioles tastes

3. Russell Martin- Appears to be a very good signing but the Orioles were already fine at Catcher with Wieters and Joseph

4. Nelson Cruz- Is having a great season with the Mariners but four years is too much for a 34 year old DH.

5. Chase Headley- Is having a poor season with the Yankees.

6. Nick Markakis- Is getting on-base at a good rate but his power has completely disappeared, has ZERO homers so FAR

7. Melky Cabrera- Is having a terrible year with the White Sox.

8. Billy Butler- Is having a bad year with the A's.

9. Adam LaRoche- Is hitting .225 with the White Sox and wouldn't be an upgrade over Davis at 1B or Paredes at DH

10. Jed Lowrie- Orioles already re-signed J.J. Hardy so there would have been no need for him.

11. Kendrys Morales- He's having a good year but the problem is he's exclusively a DH and Jimmy Paredes has offered similar production at a fraction of the price. The Orioles also don't seem to trust Paredes to play the outfield. He's played two innings out there despite all the junk players that has filtered through this season. There would be no room for Morales on this team.

12. Mike Morse- Has been terrible with the Marlins

13. Alex Rios- Is having a terrible year with the Royals

14. Torii Hunter- Still effective at age 39 but I think he always intended on going back to Minnesota

All of the good players were either too expensive (Hanley Ramirez), completely unnecessary (Martin, Lowrie) or signed for too many years (Cruz). The only player the Orioles might have missed out on is Kendrys Morales but again there would have been no room on this team because both Morales and Paredes are exclusive DH types. There really wasn't much out there in the FA pool last off-season.

This sort of misses the point. A number of teams made moves that improved their team in the short and long term. The Orioles did not. That falls on the GM.

oh and our farm system stinks.

[scOtt]

[video=youtube;pr1mCievejU]

[El Gordo]

This sort of misses the point. A number of teams made moves that improved their team in the short and long term. The Orioles did not. That falls on the GM.

oh and our farm system stinks.

What teams made moves that improved their club? Seems to me the teams that made the big moves did not improve for the most part and the teams doing well concurrently are relying on internal options.

[TheDirtyBird]

I'm pretty much fed up with anyone not named Machado. This would be much easier to digest if the birds were getting killed, instead it's close game after close game that we had plenty opportunities to win. I just don't see it improving

[DrungoHazewood]

" 4. Nelson Cruz- Is having a great season with the Mariners but four years is too much for a 34 year old DH."

Really?

Tell that to 39 yr old Alex Rodriguez.

I think its crystal clear that the Orioles made a mistake not resigning Cruz and giving him the 4 years..

Would you really like me to run through the list of Hall of Fame or near HOF outfielders who'd been out of baseball four or five years when they were Alex Rodriguez' age? Carlos Beltran is the Yank I'd compare Cruz to.

[Redskins Rick]

Thank you. Someone who actually agrees with me. I said that the O's should resign Cruz, but the vast majority here said that DD was correct in not resigning him, so I decided to stop beating a dead horse. Now I'm sorry that I did.

The Orioles bailed at the 4th year. As did the other clubs interested in Cruz.

58$ over 4 years, is a pretty good chunk of change.

What most of us said, Cruz would be worth the money for year 1 and probably year 2. Year 3 and Year 4 would be costing the team money and might even be dead money in year 4.

PED enhanced A-Rod who had a year off baseball shouldn't even be a part of this discussion.

[Singleton]

What teams made moves that improved their club? Seems to me the teams that made the big moves did not improve for the most part and the teams doing well concurrently are relying on internal options.

So you're saying there was no way to I prove the club last offseason. Travis Snyder was the very best player we could get?

Lots of good players changed teams. Some players who didn't change teams were likely available. Our corner outfielders are miserable and its not like it is a huge surprise that a marginal player like Pearce couldn't reproduce his career year or Travis Snyder wouldn't live up to his potential with yet another team.

We mostly stood pat in a year in a year in which the division is down and we have a bevy of impending free agents we're poised to lose. The stand pat offseason was hard to justify at the time and the outcome has shown it to be unwise.

[DrungoHazewood]

We mostly stood pat in a year in a year in which the division is down and we have a bevy of impending free agents we're poised to lose. The stand pat offseason was hard to justify at the time and the outcome has shown it to be unwise.

It was far easier to justify when the payroll went up despite supposedly standing pat. Everyone would have loved to have bumped payroll a bunch, but that's just not happening. And again, the Orioles primary problem has been starting pitching. All offseason there were calls to trade starters since the O's had a surplus.