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Huh?

I was saying that it would have been good for the Rays if, when they did the extension, they had included an opt out that would have given them a chance to get out from under the contract while spinning it to the what they have of a fan base.

You tell me when they would have given him the opt-out? He had four years remaining on his first contract. At what point would you have given him an opt-out in those final six years???

Because if he is trending down, why opt out?

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COC you're making a lot of arguments that don't refute my overall point...I don't disagree with anything you said in this post, nothing, but again it still benefits the player more while pushing the pendulum of risk to the team.

Can large market teams absorb the risk, yes, they're still absorbing more risk than what they would have if they didn't include an opt-out. If we agree on that, then the back and forth at this point is moot.

So?

Doesn't mean it is automatically a bad decision for the team to put one in.

Obviously it is advantageous for the player, there hasn't been even an attempt at an argument to the contrary. The fact that in actually it can work out for the team doesn't change that. If Arod and CC hadn't resigned with the Yankees they probably would have received contracts from other teams that were more valuable then the remainder of the deals they opted out on.

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You tell me when they would have given him the opt-out? He had four years remaining on his first contract. At what point would you have given him an opt-out in those final six years???

Because if he is trending down, why opt out?

Geez dude, I was throwing out a quick hypothetical here.

As for why he might opt out, it's Tampa, they don't look to be going anywhere. The dynamic duo has fled for greener pastures.

Of course even in decline he can probably find a team more willing to embrace risk that would beat the remainder of his current deal.

But mostly it was a quick throw-away that you want to turn into a debate.

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So?

Doesn't mean it is automatically a bad decision for the team to put one in.

Obviously it is advantageous for the player, there hasn't been even an attempt at an argument to the contrary. The fact that in actually it can work out for the team doesn't change that. If Arod and CC hadn't resigned with the Yankees they probably would have received contracts from other teams that were more valuable then the remainder of the deals they opted out on.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/on-opt-outs-and-the-value-to-a-team-again/

Arod and CC did resign and the reason the Yankees resigned them is articulated in the 4th paragraph here.

No, it's not automatically a bad decision, but it's simply not advantageous to teams..once signed (I know it allows teams to sign players, please I do not need that reiterated again).

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Geez dude, I was throwing out a quick hypothetical here.

As for why he might opt out, it's Tampa, they don't look to be going anywhere. The dynamic duo has fled for greener pastures.

Of course even in decline he can probably find a team more willing to embrace risk that would beat the remainder of his current deal.

But mostly it was a quick throw-away that you want to turn into a debate.

Lol okay...well it wasn't a good throw-away...

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http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/on-opt-outs-and-the-value-to-a-team-again/

Arod and CC did resign and the reason the Yankees resigned them is articulated in the 4th paragraph here.

No, it's not automatically a bad decision, but it's simply not advantageous to teams..once signed (I know it allows teams to sign players, please I do not need that reiterated again).

The Yankees resigned them because they had not properly prepared for them leaving.

Rich teams that fancy themselves contenders often give poor contracts to those who they perceive to be difference makers.

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I'm not advocating opt outs as a preferred way of doing business but it should not unilaterally be dismissed by DD. I remember the Orioles saying they would never guarantee more than 3 years to a pitcher or sign a Cuban defector. You have to be flexible and change when necessary.

Exactly. I will be shocked if the deal Machado eventually signs doesn't have one.

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I'm not advocating opt outs as a preferred way of doing business but it should not unilaterally be dismissed by DD. I remember the Orioles saying they would never guarantee more than 3 years to a pitcher or sign a Cuban defector. You have to be flexible and change when necessary.

This is a good way to frame the issue; why limit yourself in such an artificial way? Approximate the value of an the opt-out and make that part of your bargaining position. If the player wants an opt out, they should be willing to give a little in terms of years or avg to get it.

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Duquette not signing players that want opt out is lunacy. Up there with not paying for top dollar Cuban or Japanese players. Or not signing pitchers to 4 year deals. Or only allocating big money for Chris Davis and no other top tier free agents. Sorry, this is a crappy way to run a team. Just like trading away your farm system. Or banking on a bunch of AAAA free agents to buoy your outfield.

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