Thoughts on Hyun-Soo Kim in 2017?

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I don't think Buck has stars in his eyes about Nolan Reimold.

No. Nor do I.

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Does Dan?

If he ain't on the roster Buck can't play him.

Brady. Brady is close.

[ReclaimTheCrown]

I think your projections are dead on. If Kim had a reasonable arm, I would love to see him start in left every day, and hit at or near the top of the order. But he doesn't, so I don't. I think we really need to go back to defense-first. It's confounding, because I love Kim's bat in our lineup. Kinda glad I don't have to make any of these decisions. But I do think a platoon role is ideal, with some other plus defender in left about 75% of the time at least.

Kim platooning and pinch hitting is just perfect, IMO. But then we need that left fielder.

Admittedly without having any data to back this up (is there an advanced stat that covers solely how good an outfield arm a guy has?), I think his arm was kind of underrated. To be sure it wasn't strong, but he was generally very accurate. That's obviously only half the equation, but I seem to recall him making a lot of plays close (and getting a few guys out) at second base because he was able to put it right on the bag.

Again, just my anecdotal recollection, someone may have data otherwise. I'd be more worried about his range, which is pretty limited, but not bad enough in my view to be unwilling to put him out there most nights. If we can get a solid defender in right, I feel better about the relatively weak link in left.

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[Frobby]

Admittedly without having any data to back this up (is there an advanced stat that covers solely how good an outfield arm a guy has?), I think his arm was kind of underrated. To be sure it wasn't strong, but he was generally very accurate. That's obviously only half the equation, but I seem to recall him making a lot of plays close (and getting a few guys out) at second base because he was able to put it right on the bag.

Again, just my anecdotal recollection, someone may have data otherwise. I'd be more worried about his range, which is pretty limited, but not bad enough in my view to be unwilling to put him out there most nights. If we can get a solid defender in right, I feel better about the relatively weak link in LF.

Kim held 46.8% of runners from taking an extra base in 79 opportunities, compared to the major league average of 62.5%. That means he gave up about 12 extra bases with his arm in his 79 opportunities. Not good.

Don't ask me how these stats are calculated, but fangraphs shows him at -7 rArm and -4.0 ARM.

So no, his arm isn't good. Neither is his range. He's not embarrassing out there, but he's well below average in most respects.

[Just Regular]

I see him as our Seth Smith.

6 straight years between 400-500 PA, and over the last four years his PA's vs LHP have gone 87, 66, 53, 33.

I don't see any reason for him not to hit leadoff vs. RHP - I'd like to get his 3rd PA at the opposing RHP's batter faced 19 - at least make the opponent start the bullpen in the 5th inning if they want to neutralize him third time through.

[Chavez Ravine]

Kim held 46.8% of runners from taking an extra base in 79 opportunities, compared to the major league average of 62.5%. That means he gave up about 12 extra bases with his arm in his 79 opportunities. Not good.

Don't ask me how these stats are calculated, but fangraphs shows him at -7 rArm and -4.0 ARM.

So no, his arm isn't good. Neither is his range. He's not embarrassing out there, but he's well below average in most respects.

This is Kim's critical flaw, and it only figures to get more pronounced. On the bright side, he plays fundamentally sound. If he can hit LHP decently, aces! But if he can't, the two year deal we gave him seems like the optimal way to wring value out of near nothing.

[mdbdotcom]

If Trumbo doesn't return, he can DH in a platoon with Mancini.

If Trumbo returns, trade him for a left-handed relief specialist (who likely will be DFA two weeks later).

[ReclaimTheCrown]

Kim held 46.8% of runners from taking an extra base in 79 opportunities, compared to the major league average of 62.5%. That means he gave up about 12 extra bases with his arm in his 79 opportunities. Not good.

Don't ask me how these stats are calculated, but fangraphs shows him at -7 rArm and -4.0 ARM.

So no, his arm isn't good. Neither is his range. He's not embarrassing out there, but he's well below average in most respects.

Alright, fair enough. Thanks for digging up and for posting.

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Kim held 46.8% of runners from taking an extra base in 79 opportunities, compared to the major league average of 62.5%. That means he gave up about 12 extra bases with his arm in his 79 opportunities. Not good.

Don't ask me how these stats are calculated, but fangraphs shows him at -7 rArm and -4.0 ARM.

So no, his arm isn't good. Neither is his range. He's not embarrassing out there, but he's well below average in most respects.

He's played first base and DH in Korea. But yeah. A real flaw.

[LA2]

If Trumbo doesn't return, he can DH in a platoon with Mancini.

If Trumbo returns, trade him for a left-handed relief specialist (who likely will be DFA two weeks later).

Telling from his pinch-hitting success (SSS admittedly) and general approach, he should be a good DH. If Trumbo returns, I doubt that Buck will want to go with him in RF, a defensively declining Adam in CF, and Kim playing most of the games in LF. How much of an improvement would Davis be in RF over Trumbo (if we move Trumbo to 1st base)? Probably not enough, if any. If Trumbo DHs full-time, how do we get Mancini at-bats? Is letting Trumbo go in hopes of drafting a great prospect a solution? Does Mancini's Minor League record show that he should be able to handle both lefty and righty pitching? I don't trust that Bourn can be a full-time outfielder the whole season. Somebody's got to go and we need a superb defensive outfielder. A full-time DH would help too--let's see if Mancini or Kim can do it during ST.

[Ohfan67]

He was an odd signing given last years roster. His defensive weaknesses are going to make it tough for him to get more playing time next year. I think he gets about the same number of at bats with about Frobbys projection for OPS. too bad OBP is about all he brings to the table. The Orioles will want more power at DH and the outfield defense was pretty terrible.

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On 11/12/2016 at 10:31 AM, OrioleDog said:

I see him as our Seth Smith.

...and now we have two Seth Smiths!

I've got no problem with that although I hope one of them moves to DH after the Orioles make another signing or two.

Right now, according to MLBTR projections Kim is going to bat 9th:

1. R Adam Jones
2. L Seth Smith
3. R Manny Machado
4. L Chris Davis
5. R Jonathan Schoop
6. R Wellington Castillo
7. R Trey Mancini
8. R J.J. Hardy
9. L Hyun Soo Kim

I can't agree with this lineup as constructed.  I actually think hitting Smith-Kim 1-2 vs RHP is the way to go, moving Jonesy down to 5th.  But then the lineup screams for a lefty in place of Mancini and this is where that extra signing (Pagan, a switch hitter, or Alvarez / lefty DH) comes in.

1. S Angel Pagan / L Seth Smith
2. L Seth Smith / L Hyun Soo Kim
3. R Manny Machado
4. L Chris Davis
5. R Adam Jones
6. L Hyun Soo Kim / L Pedro Alvarez
7. R Jonathan Schoop
8. R Wellington Castillo
9. R J.J. Hardy

[Chavez Ravine]

On 11/14/2016 at 3:54 AM, Ohfan67 said:

He was an odd signing given last years roster. His defensive weaknesses are going to make it tough for him to get more playing time next year. I think he gets about the same number of at bats with about Frobbys projection for OPS. too bad OBP is about all he brings to the table. The Orioles will want more power at DH and the outfield defense was pretty terrible.

He needs to improve his power. The pessimist in me thinks there is nowhere for his 0.345 BABIP to go but down.

[Can_of_corn]

3 minutes ago, Chavez Ravine said:

He needs to improve his power. The pessimist in me thinks there is nowhere for his 0.345 BABIP to go but down.

His exit velocity is fine, once he adjusted his launch angle he should be good for 15 or so.

Honestly I would rather he keep the flatter launch angle that led to the high BABIP.  Line drives with good exit velocity tend to have a high probability of being hits..