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17 hours ago, esmd said:

I posted this in the Pagan thread:

Against RHP, you can go:

Smith RF

Kim LF

Machado 3B

Davis 1B

Trumbo DH

Jones CF

Schoop 2B

Castillo C

Hardy SS

That's a good 1-2 OBP punch with Smith and Kim (assuming they repeat past performance).

Against LHP:

Rickard LF

Machado 3B

Jones CF

Davis 1B

Trumbo RF

Schoop 2B

Mancini DH

Castillo C

Hardy SS

I'd move Castillo up against LHP and bat Manny 3rd regardless, but I agree with you. 

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I don't disagree with you, but letting him languish in the minors is a waste.  The conversion to OF just doesn't seem to be in the cards for Mancini.  He's blocked for 3 years, so the only option is to play him off the bench or to trade him.  I would move him if I was DD, but that doesn't seem to be in their plans either.  So might as well get him as many ABs as you can coming off the bench and see how he does.

Yeah ...but I think he would have more value after another season at AAA where he hits .300 with a +800 OPS. Hopefully climbing the prospect rankings. And being able to play adequate COF would really help.

 

 

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11 minutes ago, MDtransplant757 said:

I'd move Castillo up against LHP and bat Manny 3rd regardless, but I agree with you. 

I see your point on Castillo, but if you keep Manny batting third (that would be my preference as well), who do you put in the #2 hole?  I originally thought about Schoop, but his OBP is usually low.  My thought was to get as much OBP as possible towards the top of the lineup in front of Jones, Davis, and Trumbo.  I guess you could try Schoop at #2.  Only other option would be Hardy I guess, but his OBP isn't much to write home about either.

That mysterious, anonymous, yet to be acquired RHH RFer that could play good defense and who has a good OBP would fit in well there....that's why for the life of my I can't figure out why DD is still saying he wants to find a LH batting OFer....seems to me we're good on those.

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5 minutes ago, esmd said:

I see your point on Castillo, but if you keep Manny batting third (that would be my preference as well), who do you put in the #2 hole?  I originally thought about Schoop, but his OBP is usually low.  My thought was to get as much OBP as possible towards the top of the lineup in front of Jones, Davis, and Trumbo.  I guess you could try Schoop at #2.  Only other option would be Hardy I guess, but his OBP isn't much to write home about either.

That mysterious, anonymous, yet to be acquired RHH RFer that could play good defense and who has a good OBP would fit in well there....that's why for the life of my I can't figure out why DD is still saying he wants to find a LH batting OFer....seems to me we're good on those.

I'd put Castillo up there due to his OPS against LHP. I'd put my money on that being Pagan, but maybe I'm crazy. I'd also put $ on getting a Hammel type SP for 2 years for cheap

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Oh so you'd bat Castillo 2nd.  Interesting.  I just thought you'd move him ahead of Mancini.  I'm assuming he doesn't run all that well being a C, that's why I never considered him for 2nd, but you make an interesting point.  I'm against Pagan, for the reasons listed in his thread.  I'm on the fence with Hammel.

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8 minutes ago, El Gordo said:

Manny should bat second and either Jones or Trumbo third.

Kim/Joey

Manny

Jones

Davis

Trumbo DH/RF

Smith/Mancini

Schoop

Castillo/Joseph

Hardy

The only change I'd make here is swapping Smith and Kim.  If the team signs one more OF, he'd take Mancini's spot.

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In my eyes, the bench has to be:

  • Catcher (probably Joseph, maybe Pena... this really doesn't matter)
  • Defensive Infielder (probably Flaherty; he's a left handed bat)
  • Bench Power (Probably Mancini, who mashes lefties)
  • Defensive Outfielder (probably Rickard, who hits lefties and can run)

Santander to DL, Walker, Alvarez, extra catcher to AAA

Aneury Tavarez... I don't see a role here. Left handed batter, but only hits righties. He's sort of a duplicative player with Rickard. But I could see us optioning Rickard in order to keep Tavarez, but I'd disagree with that decision, regardless of what you may think about Rickard.

With the lefty thing, I think you'll see Mancini DH and Trumbo in RF while Smith sits. In this scenario, Rickard is the weak side platoon with Kim, who will continue to never see lefty pitching.

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18 minutes ago, Enjoy Terror said:

In my eyes, the bench has to be:

  • Catcher (probably Joseph, maybe Pena... this really doesn't matter)
  • Defensive Infielder (probably Flaherty; he's a left handed bat)
  • Bench Power (Probably Mancini, who mashes lefties)
  • Defensive Outfielder (probably Rickard, who hits lefties and can run)

Santander to DL, Walker, Alvarez, extra catcher to AAA

Aneury Tavarez... I don't see a role here. Left handed batter, but only hits righties. He's sort of a duplicative player with Rickard. But I could see us optioning Rickard in order to keep Tavarez, but I'd disagree with that decision, regardless of what you may think about Rickard.

With the lefty thing, I think you'll see Mancini DH and Trumbo in RF while Smith sits. In this scenario, Rickard is the weak side platoon with Kim, who will continue to never see lefty pitching.

I think a lot depends on ST for Taverez. Kim and Joey. Suppose Kim demonstrates he can hit lefties as well as he did in Korea? Suppose Joey hasn't fully recovered from his injury. Suppose Joey hits righties well?

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That's why I put Smith and Kim 1-2 against RHP.  Get those guys on base in front of Machado, Davis, Trumbo and Jones, and they should score a lot of runs.  Manny's OBP at #3 isn't too shabby either.

Why lead off a .340 OBP guy over a .380 guy? Pretty much the #6 spot should be the second lead off guy.

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52 minutes ago, Enjoy Terror said:

I sort of agree; why bat two of your three lefties 1-2?

I'd argue for L-Kim, R-Jones, L-Smith, R-Manny, L-Davis, R-Trumbo

Jones should not be batting second.  In your scenario, batting Machado 2nd, Trumbo 4th and Jones 6th makes the most sense.

Even then, it sets up four straight right handed bats at the bottom of the order.

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