Mike Wright's chance is coming

[Aglets]

It's gonna be a little while before I feel like I can trust Mike Wright.  Really soured over the years watching him bomb as a starter.  

But some guys do move to the bullpen and thrive..........and maybe he'll be one of those guys.   I certainly hope so.

[wildcard]

Charging Wright with three runs is scoring fluke.   He got two out in the ninth with two on.  All Hart has to do is get one out and he allows a three run homer.   Those three run should be charges to Hart.   I know that is the way scoring works but it is really not fair.  

Wright 1.2 IP 1 ER is the way it should  read. 

[Tony-OH]

45 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I assume Buck was thinking, "let's see what Mike Wright is capable of doing," in a situation where it was unlikely to hurt the team.    It made sense to me, though I was a little surprised he sent Wright out for a second inning.   

I can see that line of thinking. This is an area where Buck and I will differ a bit though. I'm a guy who likes to get guys out while they feel good about their appearance. In a 7-1 game, I can see pushing him a bit, but he had guys who could've pitched that 9th inning that could have used the work without going to his big three.

Saying that, his stuff looked good in that 1st inning on back to back nights so that's encouraging. When he came out throwing 92 in that second inning, Buck probably should have know he was done. My other concern is injury. He was overthrowing to get it to 95 in that 2nd inning which should have been a major red flag to McDowell and Buck. Not sure why they would ask him to pitch that second inning but I can see if it was a test in a ball game we should have in hand.

[Frobby]

10 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Charging Wright with three runs is scoring fluke.   He got two out in the ninth with two on.  All Hart has to do is get one out and he allows a three run homer.   Those three run should be charges to Hart.   I know that is the way scoring works but it is really not fair.  

Wright 1.2 IP 1 ER is the way it should  read. 

With runners on 1st and 3rd and two outs, the average run expectancy is 0.499.   So I say, charge Wright with half a run.

[Ruzious]

And considering he just pitched the night before and had probably never before pitched on consecutive days, putting him out there for a second inning was... kinda stupid.  

[Frobby]

10 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

I can see that line of thinking. This is an area where Buck and I will differ a bit though. I'm a guy who likes to get guys out while they feel good about their appearance. In a 7-1 game, I can see pushing him a bit, but he had guys who could've pitched that 9th inning that could have used the work without going to his big three.

Saying that, his stuff looked good in that 1st inning on back to back nights so that's encouraging. When he came out throwing 92 in that second inning, Buck probably should have know he was done. My other concern is injury. He was overthrowing to get it to 95 in that 2nd inning which should have been a major red flag to McDowell and Buck. Not sure why they would ask him to pitch that second inning but I can see if it was a test in a ball game we should have in hand.

As I said, I was a bit surprised they sent him out for a second inning.  On the other hand, he only threw 9 pitches in the 8th, and he had dominated, so you can make the case for testing him there.  

[LookitsPuck]

2 hours ago, Frobby said:

I assume Buck was thinking, "let's see what Mike Wright is capable of doing," in a situation where it was unlikely to hurt the team.    It made sense to me, though I was a little surprised he sent Wright out for a second inning.   

And that is Buck's MO. He pushes pitchers beyond what they're comfortable/effective with. And I disagree with him on that approach as it *can* cost us ballgames even when it might seem out of reach for the opposition. See: Kevin Gausman and Wei-Yin Chen in past years.

And luckily it was a 7-1 game w/ Wright because he clearly didn't have it in the 9th. Velocity was down and he was missing up.  My main worry about pulling these shenanigans is you get guys hurt doing this.

[TINSTAAPP]

1 hour ago, Frobby said:

I assume Buck was thinking, "let's see what Mike Wright is capable of doing," in a situation where it was unlikely to hurt the team.    It made sense to me, though I was a little surprised he sent Wright out for a second inning.   

It's a very small sample size but if you look at Wright's relief appearances over his career, he's usually been very effective in one-inning stints but gotten hammered in multiple inning appearances.

 

1 inning relief appearances

2015 DET 1 IP 1 H 0 ER 0 BB

2015 BOS 0.2 IP 2 H 0 ER 1 BB

2016 NYY  1 IP  1 H 0 ER 0 BB

2016 WASH 1 IP 1 H 0 ER 0 BB

2016 TBR 1 IP 1 H 0 ER 0 BB

2016 BOS 0.1 IP 0 H 0 ER 0 BB

2017 NYY 1 IP 1 H 0 ER 0 BB

In his seven one-inning relief appearances, Wright has never given up a run and has only walked one batter in 6 IP.

 

Multiple inning relief appearances

2015 BOS 3 IP 6 H 6 ER 1 BB

2015 TOR 1.1 IP 2 H 0 ER 2 BB

2016 LAA 4.2 IP 3 H 2 ER 2 BB

2016 NYY 3.0 IP 4 H 2 ER 2 BB

2017 BOS 1.2 IP 3 H 3 ER 0 BB

In his five multiple inning relief appearances, Wright has a 8.56 ERA with a 1.83 WHIP.

 

 

[Frobby]

10 minutes ago, LookitsPuck said:

And that is Buck's MO. He pushes pitchers beyond what they're comfortable/effective with. And I disagree with him on that approach as it *can* cost us ballgames even when it might seem out of reach for the opposition. See: Kevin Gausman and Wei-Yin Chen in past years.

And luckily it was a 7-1 game w/ Wright because he clearly didn't have it in the 9th. Velocity was down and he was missing up.  My main worry about pulling these shenanigans is you get guys hurt doing this.

If it hadn't been 7-1, Buck wouldn't have done it.    And I don't have a problem with him pushing people.    That's how you find out what they can and can't do.  

[tntoriole]

Re: Oriole failed starters who go to the pen...Question: Will Mike Wright end up being more like Tommy Hunter, Brian Matusz or Zach Britton?   

[tntoriole]

21 minutes ago, TINSTAAPP said:

It's a very small sample size but if you look at Wright's relief appearances over his career, he's usually been very effective in one-inning stints but gotten hammered in multiple inning appearances.

 

1 inning relief appearances

2015 DET 1 IP 1 H 0 ER 0 BB

2015 BOS 0.2 IP 2 H 0 ER 1 BB

2016 NYY  1 IP  1 H 0 ER 0 BB

2016 WASH 1 IP 1 H 0 ER 0 BB

2016 TBR 1 IP 1 H 0 ER 0 BB

2016 BOS 0.1 IP 0 H 0 ER 0 BB

2017 NYY 1 IP 1 H 0 ER 0 BB

In his seven one-inning relief appearances, Wright has never given up a run and has only walked one batter in 6 IP.

 

Multiple inning relief appearances

2015 BOS 3 IP 6 H 6 ER 1 BB

2015 TOR 1.1 IP 2 H 0 ER 2 BB

2016 LAA 4.2 IP 3 H 2 ER 2 BB

2016 NYY 3.0 IP 4 H 2 ER 2 BB

2017 BOS 1.2 IP 3 H 3 ER 0 BB

In his five multiple inning relief appearances, Wright has a 8.56 ERA with a 1.83 WHIP.

 

 

You wonder if Buck and McDowell knew these specific numbers. 

[LookitsPuck]

39 minutes ago, Frobby said:

If it hadn't been 7-1, Buck wouldn't have done it.    And I don't have a problem with him pushing people.    That's how you find out what they can and can't do.  

I agree. Save for injuries. That's my main worry. 

[eddie83]

Without Britton the pen is down to a big 3. Hard for me to get on Buck not wanting to use one of them up 6. The Red Sox have a RH dominate lineup, not exactly a great spot for Bleier or Hart and you can't trust Ubaldo in that spot. I mean Wright has to pitch there if you ask me. Clean and quick 8th inning. 

[Ruzious]

57 minutes ago, Frobby said:

If it hadn't been 7-1, Buck wouldn't have done it.    And I don't have a problem with him pushing people.    That's how you find out what they can and can't do.  

To me, 7-1 is why you don't do it.  There's no point in risking a guy's health when you have a 7-1 lead.  Wright hitting 92 on his fastball - when he was hitting 98 the night before - concerns me.  

[eddie83]

1 minute ago, Ruzious said:

To me, 7-1 is why you don't do it.  There's no point in risking a guy's health when you have a 7-1 lead.  Wright hitting 92 on his fastball - when he was hitting 98 the night before - concerns me.  

If you are going to be a reliever you have to be able to pitch back to back nights. Why burn one of the big 3 up 6 runs?  The other members of the pen were poor matchups.