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From May 10 though June 11, the Orioles went 10-21 and went from 1st to 4th in the division.

It could, and probably should, have been worse: they went 4-0 in extra innings, and 7 of the 10 wins were by one or two runs.

To be fair, 10 of the 21 losses were also by one or two runs. But the overall margin of win was 2 runs, while the margin of loss was 3.52 runs.  

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2 hours ago, birdwatcher55 said:

Could Buck be in trouble?

Who would replace him? DD would have to go too. There is a certain chain of command. The owner picks the GM. The GM gets the Manager he wants. Not someone that's forced on him. 

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50 minutes ago, MDtransplant757 said:

HEY, REMEMBER LAST SEASON WHEN THIS SPECIFIC THING HAPPNED AND WE REBOUNDED???????

Last year it was just SP.  The bullpen was great and the offense was leading the league in homers.  This year the SP is still terrible, the bullpen has been average, and the homers aren't flying out.  Davis, Trumbo, Jones, and Manny all have OPS's under .800.  It just doesn't have that same feel that we're close to putting it all together.   

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4 hours ago, birdwatcher55 said:

Could Buck be in trouble?

At this point I don't see how Buck could be in trouble, and I think it would take more than this season falling apart for him to lose his job.

What I could see happening is if things do fall apart and the front office decides to do a complete rebuild Buck may step down because I don't think he'd want to be a part of a rebuild.

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27 minutes ago, billw76 said:

At this point I don't see how Buck could be in trouble, and I think it would take more than this season falling apart for him to lose his job.

What I could see happening is if things do fall apart and the front office decides to do a complete rebuild Buck may step down because I don't think he'd want to be a part of a rebuild.

I used to think that Showalter (he is a grown man with a last name) was untouchable too. But I am not so sure now. He needed to have a decent year this year with all the payroll the Orioles are putting out there, and especially after having mismanaged the WC game last year (and many other games as has been chronicled).The great thing about him, if nothing else, is that his teams have good chemistry. They don't tank. If this team plays selfish, undisciplined baseball the rest of the year like they have played for most of this past month, why would the Orioles keep him? But he will not be fired during the season for sure. That's not Angelos' MO. 

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19 hours ago, Uli2001 said:

I used to think that Showalter (he is a grown man with a last name) was untouchable too. But I am not so sure now. He needed to have a decent year this year with all the payroll the Orioles are putting out there, and especially after having mismanaged the WC game last year (and many other games as has been chronicled).The great thing about him, if nothing else, is that his teams have good chemistry. They don't tank. If this team plays selfish, undisciplined baseball the rest of the year like they have played for most of this past month, why would the Orioles keep him? But he will not be fired during the season for sure. That's not Angelos' MO. 

Personally I think Buck will be given the opportunity to finish out his contract. If this season completely falls apart I think we're more likely to see Buck step down with Duquette going too.The reason I think they keep him is if they decide to keep this team together and give it one more shot next season. If there is a rebuild he will definitely be gone.

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3 minutes ago, billw76 said:

Personally I think Buck will be given the opportunity to finish out his contract. If this season completely falls apart I think we're more likely to see Buck step down with Duquette going too.The reason I think they keep him is if they decide to keep this team together and give it one more shot next season. If there is a rebuild he will definitely be gone.

The last 5 this team has outperformed most Sabrmetric projections.   If that is not Buck, then exactly what is it?   It's a big enough sample size that I think we can rule out luck at this point.

 

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The last 5 this team has outperformed most Sabrmetric projections.   If that is not Buck, then exactly what is it?   It's a big enough sample size that I think we can rule out luck at this point.

 

I agree, I think Buck has done enough that he won't be fired regardless of how this season ends. Only way I see him leaving is if we decide to rebuild, and then I see him stepping down and not being fired.

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5 minutes ago, SteveA said:

The last 5 this team has outperformed most Sabrmetric projections.   If that is not Buck, then exactly what is it?   It's a big enough sample size that I think we can rule out luck at this point.

 

Those projections underestimating the quality and impact of the bullpen.

 

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4 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Those projections underestimating the quality and impact of the bullpen.

 

If you read the game thread, Buck is a horrible handler of pitchers.   He leaves his starters in WAY too long and doesn't use the bullpen enough, and then when he does he uses the wrong guys.   He should pitch the good ones an inning each every game.

Is it possible maybe his bullpen management, wild card game excluded, is actually part of WHY the bullpen has been so good and has impacted our record so much?   Just wondering.

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If you read the game thread, Buck is a horrible handler of pitchers.   He leaves his starters in WAY too long and doesn't use the bullpen enough, and then when he does he uses the wrong guys.   He should pitch the good ones an inning each every game.

Is it possible maybe his bullpen management, wild card game excluded, is actually part of WHY the bullpen has been so good and has impacted our record so much?   Just wondering.

Of course it is.  Overall he does a fine job.  That being said yes I think he leaves his starters in too long which often results in his relievers coming in with men on base, which is not optimal.

I also think that he is grossly mishandling Bundy this year but that isn't something that has been an issue in past with him.

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