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Camden_yardbird Hangout Grand Counsel

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4 hours ago, Tryptamine said:

Do you understand how hugely different the value of these two packages you just suggested are?

Well the big difference is Bergman, and he has gotten better recently but he is nowhere close to the level of talent Manny is.  Martes is a top 10 prospect who if we're rankings were made today would have fallen.

I wasn't trying to even them out, but the central premise of two top 5 and a top 15 still stands.

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I agree with most people who say we need pitching prospects badly, but the success rate is so impossible to predict and so many of those guys flame out that you could ultimately end up with nothing. 

In trading a franchise player like Machado I think you want the package centered around a position player who we can potentially build around in the future (SS or 3B preferably).  Add two or three high upside SP pitchers to the package (not going to be major league ready guys) and I think that's the kind of deal Duquette should be hunting for. 

The best thing that can happen over the next month is Manny (Adam Jones too) can heat up so that they look more attractive to teams looking to add some pieces.  The value for both guys is probably at an all-time low right now.  

 

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19 hours ago, RZNJ said:

1.  Machado and Davis to the Yankees for Gleyber Torres, Headley (taking back money), Greg Bird, and Chance Adams.      

 

Gleyber Torres plays SS next season.   Bird plays 1B.  Mancini to DH.  Adams to rotation.    Yankees would probably be dumb to do this trade as they really don't need Machado but they might go for the overkill.   Of course, the Davis injury hurts my scenario here so let's just do Machado for

Gleyber Torres, Chance Adams, and Headley.   (still have to take Headley back).

 

2.  Machado to the Cubs for Addison Russell, Dylan Cease, and Jeimer Candelario.

If I were Being Buck Showalter, I would never make any trade that would bolster the Yankees' prospects of winning the World Series.  

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13 hours ago, oriole said:

You keep Manny til the offseason or hope he gets better this year. If I'm selling low on anyone it's not Manny Machado.

 

Time hurts his value. His trade value is higher to a contender at the deadline than it is in the offseason with 1 year left on his deal.

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I'm really beginning to wonder if going forward Manny is anything more than a .250 hitter with a low OBP and high K rate.

It's clear to everyone that he is trying to pull every pitch and hit it a mile... but we are 6 months into his "slump" and he doesn't seem capable of adjusting.

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6 minutes ago, webbrick2010 said:

Can't believe there wasn't a thread on how Manny managed to get thrown out at 2B on a ball that one hopped the LF wall

Anyone think Manny was running hard out of the box?

This guy is bad news, it is critical that the O's trade him ASAP

You can't believe that someone didn't spam the board with a thread about one at bat?

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3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

You can't believe that someone didn't spam the board with a thread about one at bat?

How many times has Manny been thrown out on the base paths in the last couple of years?

It is a characteristic of his game.

What is the impact on a roster, when you are struggling and your superstar get's thrown out because he doesn't run hard out of the box?

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4 minutes ago, webbrick2010 said:

How many times has Manny been thrown out on the base paths in the last couple of years?

It is a characteristic of his game.

What is the impact on a roster, when you are struggling and your superstar get's thrown out because he doesn't run hard out of the box?

This has nothing to do with what you are replying to.

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3 hours ago, InsideCoroner said:

If I were Being Buck Showalter, I would never make any trade that would bolster the Yankees' prospects of winning the World Series.  

If I am Buck Showalter, and my team isn't winning the World Series, I don't care who is.

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