If you owned the Orioles, what decisions would require your approval?

[Hank Scorpio]

1 minute ago, Frobby said:

I will be watching no matter who’s playing for them, but I’ll be watching less if they’re losing.   Especially if the pitching is remotely like last year’s.

I refuse to believe Angelos is this dumb. It can’t be possible.

[foxfield]

5 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

I'd let them explore any avenues they wanted to but I would want approval over any moves on the 40 man roster, players appearing in the top 5 of current prospect lists, anything involving draft picks, or costing more than a million dollars.  I'd also like to be consulted before any changes were made to the ML coaching staff.

 

4 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

I wouldn't be planning on stopping them from whatever changes they made but I would like to be made aware of the situation before the change is made.

But as above you might not approve.

4 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

If someone is being let go, or is quitting, I would like to know why.

After all these years.  I never had any idea you posted here Mr. Angelos.  Im just kidding corn.  But this is a great thread and it helps all of us understand what thoughts might go into this.  I think I would be exactly as CoC indicates he would be, the only real difference I believe really from PA is that I would have my GM bring me the deal and I would say yes or no.  Not ask 16 people in the organization and then do whatever Rick Dempsey said.

[Can_of_corn]

9 minutes ago, foxfield said:

 

But as above you might not approve.

After all these years.  I never had any idea you posted here Mr. Angelos.  Im just kidding corn.  But this is a great thread and it helps all of us understand what thoughts might go into this.  I think I would be exactly as CoC indicates he would be, the only real difference I believe really from PA is that I would have my GM bring me the deal and I would say yes or no.  Not ask 16 people in the organization and then do whatever Rick Dempsey said.

If you look again I separated the part about the coaching staff from the other stuff.  I used the term approval for the first grouping and for the coaching staff I simply said I wanted to be consulted about it.  I really don't see a scenario where I would interfere in that sort of matter.

[atomic]

7 hours ago, interloper said:

No one's faulting Angelos for wanting approval. It's the fact that he denies approval regularly for egregiously bad reasoning.

It is not even wanting approval it is how long he takes to make a decision.  So by the time he finally makes a decision every decent player is gone and we end up signing teams that no one else wants like Davis and Jiminez. 

[atomic]

40 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

If you look again I separated the part about the coaching staff from the other stuff.  I used the term approval for the first grouping and for the coaching staff I simply said I wanted to be consulted about it.  I really don't see a scenario where I would interfere in that sort of matter.

If I was the owner why would I care who the first base coach or bullpen coach were? As long as they don't have a criminal record I wouldn't care who they hire. 

[eddie83]

6 minutes ago, cimota said:

If I was the owner why would I care who the first base coach or bullpen coach were? As long as they don't have a criminal record I wouldn't care who they hire. 

I just read this in Rick Dempsey’s lastest book, “If These Walls Could Talk”.

Angelos called Mike Hargrove after the 2001 when Eddie Murray left. He told Hargrove he wanted Rick on the staff. Hargrove took offense to it because he didn’t want anyone telling him who was on his staff. Rick said Hargrove treated him terrible the whole time. 

[Can_of_corn]

9 minutes ago, cimota said:

If I was the owner why would I care who the first base coach or bullpen coach were? As long as they don't have a criminal record I wouldn't care who they hire. 

Did I say I cared who they were?  I care about why they are leaving.  Were they deemed incompetent?  Did another team hire them away?  Disagreements with Buck?  Sexually harassing the batboy?

[OregonBird]

Last summer I was able to have a nice conversation with Pat Gillick when he was scouting some Oregon State players.  He said that Peter Angelos is a good man who cares deeply about Baltimore and wants to win a championship.  He just likes to operate his way which he didn’t have a problem with while he was there.

 

[eddie83]

1 minute ago, OregonBird said:

Last summer I was able to have a nice conversation with Pat Gillick when he was scouting some Oregon State players.  He said that Peter Angelos is a good man who cares deeply about Baltimore and wants to win a championship.  He just likes to operate his way which he didn’t have a problem with while he was there.

 

What?  I thought Gillick could not wait until he got out of here. Time must heal some wounds. 

[OregonBird]

Yeah, I was a little surprised.  He was very candid about other topics, talked with him for about 30 minutes at the hotel.  Nice man, treated my little boys like superstars.  

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

40 minutes ago, eddie83 said:

I just read this in Rick Dempsey’s lastest book, “If These Walls Could Talk”.

Angelos called Mike Hargrove after the 2001 when Eddie Murray left. He told Hargrove he wanted Rick on the staff. Hargrove took offense to it because he didn’t want anyone telling him who was on his staff. Rick said Hargrove treated him terrible the whole time. 

This is part and parcel of the dysfunction.  Why was Angelos forcing Dempsey on Hargrove's coaching staff.  It's one thing if Hargrove was open to it, but when he rebuffed Angelos should have backed down.  

[tntoriole]

If I were the owner, I would still be full bore here on OH and I would be all over my GM with every argument on this board about every single dumpster dive, every free agent out there.  Duquette would be wishing for the old man back after I went over all the arguments from the 137 pages of what to do with Manny. 

[OriolesMagic83]

3 hours ago, Hank Scorpio said:

I refuse to believe Angelos is this dumb. It can’t be possible.

Early stage dementia?

[Satyr3206]

As an Owner first you have to define where you are in the market. The Orioles are a mid market team, therefore you have to operate that way. That means you don't have the luxury of making big FA mistakes and covering them with more money. Second you have to do everything you can to bring in talent in a cost controlled way. Draft, International market, etc. Third, you need a great scouts and development people. And pay the people that run the Minor League teams, and Scouts a little more so you get the best people you can. That would pay off big time.

Then you hire people that are familiar with this way of operating. Set a budget. And let them do their jobs. The best trait of a Leader is to hire good people and let them do their jobs. They might make mistakes but as the Owner you can step in from time to time to limit them.

Do not micromanage. Professionals need to know their judgement is trusted. If I hire someone I'm letting them have freedom to do the job I hired them for.

As Owner you would have to be involved with any large financial transactions. Other than that let the Baseball people run the ship. It takes time to build a Baseball Organization. Continuity is a must.

Set goals and evaluate everyone. Simple to me.

[Luke-OH]

9 minutes ago, Satyr3206 said:

As an Owner first you have to define where you are in the market. The Orioles are a mid market team, therefore you have to operate that way. That means you don't have the luxury of making big FA mistakes and covering them with more money. Second you have to do everything you can to bring in talent in a cost controlled way. Draft, International market, etc. Third, you need a great scouts and development people. And pay the people that run the Minor League teams, and Scouts a little more so you get the best people you can. That would pay off big time.

I totally agree.