Cashner signing

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27 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Nothing guarantees it, but there sure is a positive relationship between the two.

And that' why I brought up Gausman. Decent K rate but stunk last year.

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1 minute ago, cimota said:

The big question is will he be able to keep the beard.  The Orioles should change their beard rules for him. 

If they did it for Vlad...

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Just now, Babypowder said:

This is where I am. The terms make it hard to be upset with it, but I fully expect Cashner to be pretty bad. I'm thinking 5+ ERA.

Hopefully we have better defense this year. 

Unfortunately for O's fans, Cashner is about the level of guy we can hope for based on how the organization limits itself. But I certainly like it better than the FO doing nothing and pretending everything's fine. 

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57 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I'm mostly looking at the 4.6 K rate, the 3.5 walk rate and the FIP being over a run higher than the ERA.

I guess if you only have two starting pitchers by feb 15th he's a good sign.

He is a good sign.  He isn't a TOR and your post below is definitely cause for alarm....but still.  Cheap healthy inning eater.

57 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I’m not a fan of Cashner, and his success last year seemed very fluky.   But 2/$16 mm is cheaper and shorter than I would have suspected.    Now I’m just going to cross my fingers and hope his good ground ball rates (15th among qualifiers last year, and pretty typical for him) hold up and some strikeouts return.   

This is a good deal...and we didn't trade anyone or have to lose a pick.  Is he good well...he is ok.

39 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I am going to repost this piece I found on reddit's baseball page.

 

This is scary.

23 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Possbile 41m contract over 3 years?  Does that mean Angelos is not selling the team and Dan is getting an extension?

I know you are joking, but I think this fits the sale mode and Dan is leaving when his contract is up no matter what Angelos wants.

3 minutes ago, Frobby said:

We just signed the guy for 2/$16 mm guaranteed.    I know he can exceed that if he hits his incentives — and I hope he does — but my guess is he’d have preferred 2/$20 mm guaranteed.   

He doesn't get the $2/20 but he CAN double it if he performs.   This is very good work by GM.   Or Brady....  

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3 minutes ago, MatthewW said:

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that I think that Ynoa deserves a spot in the starting rotation... My point is simply, for a team with so few resources, why would you spend $8M for the same production as someone you already have? 

Because Cashner’s track record is significantly better than his projection, and Ynoa’s projection has a very high degree of uncertainty because he basically has no major league track record.    

It wouldn’t shock me if Ynoa has a better year than Cashner, but the odds of Ynoa being unable to post even a 5.75 ERA are probably in the 40% range, whereas with Cashner those chances are more like 10%.

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1 minute ago, foxfield said:

He doesn't get the $2/20 but he CAN double it if he performs.   This is very good work by GM.   Or Brady....  

I give Dan an A for creativity on this one.    I still don’t love the signing, but the contract is clever and limits the downside.    

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1 minute ago, Frobby said:

Because Cashner’s track record is significantly better than his projection, and Ynoa’s projection has a very high degree of uncertainty because he basically has no major league track record.    

It wouldn’t shock me if Ynoa has a better year than Cashner, but the odds of Ynoa being unable to post even a 5.75 ERA are probably in the 40% range, whereas with Cashner those chances are more like 10%.

I'm not a huge fan of those type of projections, but if Ynoa outperforms Cashner, so be it. 

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2 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Because Cashner’s track record is significantly better than his projection, and Ynoa’s projection has a very high degree of uncertainty because he basically has no major league track record.    

It wouldn’t shock me if Ynoa has a better year than Cashner, but the odds of Ynoa being unable to post even a 5.75 ERA are probably in the 40% range, whereas with Cashner those chances are more like 10%.

AGreed.

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1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

I'm mostly looking at the 4.6 K rate, the 3.5 walk rate and the FIP being over a run higher than the ERA.

I guess if you only have two starting pitchers by feb 15th he's a good sign.

Faint praise indeed. Agree for he most part though, I mean he's better than what we have, but has some red flags.

Fastball, change, cutter guy with an occasional curveball that's not very good. Probably a 5th starter on good teams but right now is a 3rd starter. I'd feel better with this signing if Cobb or Lynn were signed as well. 

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Just now, Frobby said:

I give Dan an A for creativity on this one.    I still don’t love the signing, but the contract is clever and limits the downside.    

Yep....I guess he isn't just sitting around after all.

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Just now, Frobby said:

I give Dan an A for creativity on this one.    I still don’t love the signing, but the contract is clever and limits the downside.    

Yep, as I said in another thread a vesting option that further vests into a player option.

Pretty nifty.

It's like a Pokemon!

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I'm not sure Ynoa gets the chance to have a better year than Cashner. Right now you have to feel like Cortes has a leg up on just about every in-house candidate due to being a lefty. And the last slot could just as well be Tillman or another signing like Vargas.

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I guess I can talk myself into Cashner. 

Sign Tillman and Lackey and  let them battle it out with the young guys for the last two spots. 

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1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

Yep, as I said in another thread a vesting option that further vests into a player option.

Pretty nifty.

It's like a Pokemon!

Which one out of the 802 pokemon is it? 

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Just now, MDtransplant757 said:

Which one out of the 802 pokemon is it? 

We have already reached the extent of my Pokemon knowledge.

I'm a geek sure, but I was a bit old to jump on the Pokemon bandwagon.