Grade the Gausman Deal

[weams]

5 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

Yes, that's what I meant. I don't like that O'Day was included in the deal if we could have done better. However, we don't know that any better prospects were offered. It's possible Atlanta said "we'll give you Encarnacion and that's as high as we're going to go." Then DD said, "If you can't come up with a better prospect, you're going to have to help me with salary."

I misunderstood. 

[maybenxtyr]

2 minutes ago, El Gordo said:

If we got the extra prospect by not throwing in O'Days salary then we wouldn't have gotten the 2.5 M for I bonus

The bonus money for Atlanta was really useless though.

[baltfan]

Anthopolis said that Braves saw a couple of things with Gausman they would like to change and hope to get better results.  May be interesting. 

[Hallas]

3 minutes ago, maybenxtyr said:

The bonus money for Atlanta was really useless though.

Given that NYY received around 2.75 million in bonus money, it’s possible that they forced our hand there if we are serious about VVM. (And I’d like to think that we are.) There’s a moderate chance that a player will take the Yankees offer -300k or so, but if the difference is closer to 1-1.5 million this is much less likely.

[weams]

 

[Il BuonO]

7 minutes ago, baltfan said:

Anthopolis said that Braves saw a couple of things with Gausman they would like to change and hope to get better results.  May be interesting. 

I’ll be ticked if he becomes Cy Gausman, but not surprised.

[24fps]

1 minute ago, Il BuonO said:

I’ll be ticked if he becomes Cy Gausman, but not surprised.

Let's see if Duquette's newfound autonomy extends to overhauling scouting and development.

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

45 minutes ago, weams said:

I think O'Day was not value added. I think O'Day cost you a prospect. 

It’s not like his salary is that outrageous.  Just keep O’Day on the club if would have sweetened the pot.

Plus O’Day could be decent next year.  We’re not talking about Ubaldo or Davis.

[weams]

Just now, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

It’s not like his salary is that outrageous.  Just keep O’Day on the club if would have sweetened the pot.

Plus O’Day could be decent next year.  We’re not talking about Ubaldo or Davis.

I don't think you understand. The idea is not to be decent next year.  It was about saving the money. 

[24fps]

13 minutes ago, weams said:

 

OK fine.  Great even, but this will have to be explained to me.  Is Nightengale trolling?

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

Just now, weams said:

I don't think you understand. The idea is not to be decent next year.  It was about saving the money. 

Ok but prospects matter too and it’s not like there are going to be ton of games for O’Day to protect the lead.

[weams]

Just now, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

Ok but prospects matter too and it’s not like there are going to be ton of games for O’Day to protect the lead.

True. Yes. 

[Luke-OH]

30 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

Yes, that's what I meant. I don't like that O'Day was included in the deal if we could have done better. However, we don't know that any better prospects were offered. It's possible Atlanta said "we'll give you Encarnacion and that's as high as we're going to go." Then DD said, "If you can't come up with a better prospect, you're going to have to help me with salary."

I'm willing to bet one of the other teams offered a better prospect return, but shipping off O'Day's contact held a significant value to the Orioles. We'll see how useful the extra 2.5M in international money is, but they likely wanted some to make sure they stayed comfortably in the driver's seat for VVM.

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

1 minute ago, weams said:

True. Yes. 

Of course if O’Day’s salary he would have been paid gets invested Into the organization, I can’t complain about that.

[Luke-OH]

16 minutes ago, weams said:

 

I don't think Nightengale knows anything about prospects, but if you are on the high side of the range of opinions on all of these prospects, they are worth around 30M in surplus value, plus O'Day is owed 12M and would likely only be a 2-3M guy at best if he was on the open market, so that's 40M in value plus whatever you think the 2.5M of international allotment is worth. That's not quite the Machado return, but it's pretty close. 

Now I think Gausman should have been worth more than Machado, given the team control, so I'm not a big fan of the trade, but in concert with all the moves made (including the returns of other team's trades), I'm pretty happy with the decisive sell-off.