2019 AAA-Norfolk Tides

[Can_of_corn]

4 minutes ago, orioles22 said:

Looks like the Giants are getting more out of him than that - 19 homers and 49 RBI in 295 at bats.

Doesn't change the process.

[orioles22]

The process of giving away an outfielder who is having a good year for a major league team.

[Can_of_corn]

12 hours ago, orioles22 said:

The process of giving away an outfielder who is having a good year for a major league team.

Right?  Your point?

 

[Matt Bennett]

1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

Right?  Your point?

 

I’m not sure your point. It was a bad trade. We had outfield at-bats to give(late trade for Dwight Smith Jr, conversion of infielder Stevie Wilkerson to outfield, mid-season trade for Keon Broxton with a 50% K rate) and Yaz did pretty well in Norfolk last year. Ball is juiced but he’s performing well above league average with actually better splits against LHP. And Herb is in Bowie at age 27. 

We got rid of our crap for their crap and our crap turned out to be the best outfielder we would have had this year. 

Edited September 6, 2019 by Matt Bennett

[Can_of_corn]

2 hours ago, Matt Bennett said:

I’m not sure your point. It was a bad trade. We had outfield at-bats to give(late trade for Dwight Smith Jr, conversion of infielder Stevie Wilkerson to outfield, mid-season trade for Keon Broxton with a 50% K rate) and Yaz did pretty well in Norfolk last year. Ball is juiced but he’s performing well above league average with actually better splits against LHP. And Herb is in Bowie at age 27. 

We got rid of our crap for their crap and our crap turned out to be the best outfielder we would have had this year. 

No it wasn't.

It was a fair trade that turned out poorly.

That isn't the same thing.

[orioles22]

The arrogance of some of today's baseball fans amazes me, especially those who know enough to be dangerous.

I didn't think it was a terrible trade at the time either. I was wrong. It's OK to admit you are wrong sometimes.

 

[Can_of_corn]

6 minutes ago, orioles22 said:

The arrogance of some of today's baseball fans amazes me, especially those who know enough to be dangerous.

I didn't think it was a terrible trade at the time either. I was wrong. It's OK to admit you are wrong sometimes.

 

You need to understand that a good process can lead to a poor result and a poor process can lead to a good result.

It doesn't mean you change the process.

Yes, in hindsight the trade went poorly for the O's.  But the process was sound and if a similar situation comes up the O's shouldn't place undue weight on how this one trade turned out.

[orioles22]

True, but if you lose enough of those trades it makes the process of winning that much harder, if not impossible, and we definitely lose that one. I still trust Elias to make the right moves, but I think we can admit we were fleeced by the Giants, at least to this point.

 

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, orioles22 said:

True, but if you lose enough of those trades it makes the process of winning that much harder, if not impossible, and we definitely lose that one. I still trust Elias to make the right moves, but I think we can admit we were fleeced by the Giants, at least to this point.

 

I don't like the word fleeced.  I don't think the Giants (or anyone to include Yaz) expected him to do anything of note at the ML level.  To me fleeced means that one side knew it was going to end up on the good side of the trade.

Now this is all language stuff and not incredibly important in the grand scheme of things.

[orioles22]

No way to know what the Giants expected, even though I admit it was probably a pleasant surprise. The result was clearly a loss for the Orioles, and I still don't believe pointing that out is a crime because the Orioles followed the stat geek gameplan and should be held blameless. I will always be an Oriole guy and have confidence in Elias.

I think dealing Yaz was a mistake, just as I do in not bringing up Mountcastle this week. I understand the logic, but I would prefer we focus more on signing our guys, and having confidence we can, instead of playing games with service time for someone who played so well at every stop.

[Matt Bennett]

9 hours ago, orioles22 said:

No way to know what the Giants expected, even though I admit it was probably a pleasant surprise. The result was clearly a loss for the Orioles, and I still don't believe pointing that out is a crime because the Orioles followed the stat geek gameplan and should be held blameless. I will always be an Oriole guy and have confidence in Elias.

I think dealing Yaz was a mistake, just as I do in not bringing up Mountcastle this week. I understand the logic, but I would prefer we focus more on signing our guys, and having confidence we can, instead of playing games with service time for someone who played so well at every stop.

I probably blame Duquette’s regime more actually. Elias just took over and was presumably still in player evaluation mode. Holders from Duquette’s era said Yaz is nothing. Same with Means. They never thought anything of their of them. And the thing is, we had OF at-bats to give. 

Maybe just because I pay most attention with to the Orioles but I feel like they often over-evaluate and under-evaluate what they have frequently.