Jump to content

There Are Rumblings That the O's Will Not Take Rutschman

Greg Pappas

By Greg Pappas
in Orioles Talk

Recommended Posts

glenn__davis Hangout Grand Counsel

glenn__davis

Posted
Posted
30 minutes ago, Riggodrill44 said:

I'm not a scout, so i'm not sweating who we draft. I like to look at the big picture and find 4-5 3.0 war players from this draft.

Yeah - honestly to me having pick 1:1 is pretty exciting, but I'm always a lot more interested in rounds 2-10.  That's where you get the idea of what the general draft philosophy, was and you start seeing who those potential "overslot" picks might be.

As always, a lot of hyperbole around the top picks.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites
  • Replies 488
  • Created
  • Last Reply
jabba72 Hangout Veteran Council

jabba72

Posted
Posted

Taking a catcher 1-1 is risky, because he'll be sitting 30-35 games per year at a minimum.  The O's also have no depth at SS in the system which makes me want Witt or Abrams. I would be fine with either of those players.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
JMU_Birdfan Major Leaguer Cup of Coffee

JMU_Birdfan

Posted
Posted
41 minutes ago, interloper said:

I keep thinking back to the winter when Elias said he was losing sleep trying to figure out SS/infield options. And he proceeded to claim a million infielders and select one in the Rule 5 draft. That has always made me wonder if he prefers Witt in this draft to get some semblance of MIF talent in the organization. 

Quality post, I've had similar thoughts but am hoping he addresses this by taking some SS/infield guys in the second round and below. AR and then Mathew Lugo (Puerto Rico Academy #1 Prospect) is my dream scenario

Link to comment
Share on other sites
wildbillhiccup Hangout Grand Counsel

wildbillhiccup

Posted
Posted
2 minutes ago, jabba72 said:

Taking a catcher 1-1 is risky, because he'll be sitting 30-35 games per year at a minimum.  The O's also have no depth at SS in the system which makes me want Witt or Abrams. I would be fine with either of those players.

...but Rutschman is great behind the dish too right? Wouldn't having a great defensive catcher who can call a great game, frame pitches, etc. also have a positive impact on our young pitchers? Also, I'm not sure I'm buying your must sit out minimums. JT Realmuto had 500+ at bats in 2016 and 2017. If he hits they'll find a way to get him the lineup. They just need to give him days off from catching not from playing. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
jamalshw All-Star

jamalshw

Posted
Posted

It's seems pretty clear Rutschman is the widely regarded best player in the draft within the industry as a whole which to me makes taking him a no brainer. Even if positionally you prefer someone else, he's got added value within the industry making him the more valuable asset. The Orioles aren't in a position where they're just needing a SS of the future and have the rest of the 2022 roster in place. We're still early enough in the rebuild that it should be about asset acquisition. Adley is the best asset.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
SteveA Hangout Grand Counsel

SteveA

Posted
Posted
33 minutes ago, OregonBird said:

My friend teaches HS math with ARs mom.  I texted her to see if Mrs R is giving any “tells”.

I really hope it’s Adley.

You mean like maybe she comes to school with Jeremy Guthrie's old "These O's ain't Royal" shirt.

That would be a clue.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
wildbillhiccup Hangout Grand Counsel

wildbillhiccup

Posted
Posted

...and if the Rockies stay in contention the Orioles should offer them anyone on their roster for one of their MANY 2B / SS prospects. That would solve our MI problem.  With Story, Hampson, McMahon and Rodgers at least one of them should be expendable. Offer them Bundy / GIvens for Rodgers. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
makoman Major Leaguer Cup of Coffee

makoman

Posted
Posted
55 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

It's the draft.  If you're not in the top 5% you've failed in the eyes of the fans and the chattering classes.  It's like championships.  You win 97 games and make it to the ALCS and lose: fail. 

About one-third of players selected at 1:1 have ended up with 5 WAR or less careers.  We all hope whomever they pick will be great, but there's about a 80-90% chance he's not going to be Buster Posey.

I cringe every time I see “I expect a borderline HOFer at 1-1” or “Ben McDonald was a total disaster.” People need to get their expectations in check or they’re just asking for disappointment. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
jabba72 Hangout Veteran Council

jabba72

Posted
Posted
4 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:

...but Rutschman is great behind the dish too right? Wouldn't having a great defensive catcher who can call a great game, frame pitches, etc. also have a positive impact on our young pitchers? Also, I'm not sure I'm buying your must sit out minimums. JT Realmuto had 500+ at bats in 2016 and 2017. If he hits they'll find a way to get him the lineup. They just need to give him days off from catching not from playing. 

Realmuto's career high in games started at Catcher is 125, they moved him to 1B for roughly 8-10 starts every year to keep his bat in the lineup. Still, his career high in games in a season is 137. Thats missing 25 games minimum and playing 1B in 10 others. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
LookinUp Hangout Grand Counsel

LookinUp

Posted
Posted
1 hour ago, Frobby said:

Sisco is more likely to be a decent major league starting catcher than any of our shortstops are to be a decent major league starting SS.   And I don’t say that because I’m in love with Sisco.    The game gets harder as you move up the ladder and Sisco has had success at every level of the minors, was a top 100 prospect a few times and has played in the majors and is still young.    None of our shortstops has ever been considered a top 100 prospect and they are playing at much lower levels of the minors at this point so there’s no saying how they’ll progress as they move up.   

I hate that this is true, but it is true.

17 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:

...but Rutschman is great behind the dish too right? Wouldn't having a great defensive catcher who can call a great game, frame pitches, etc. also have a positive impact on our young pitchers? Also, I'm not sure I'm buying your must sit out minimums. JT Realmuto had 500+ at bats in 2016 and 2017. If he hits they'll find a way to get him the lineup. They just need to give him days off from catching not from playing. 

Exactly. Having Rutschman catching Hall and Rodriguez is a wonderful thing.

10 minutes ago, jabba72 said:

Realmuto's career high in games started at Catcher is 125, they moved him to 1B for roughly 8-10 starts every year to keep his bat in the lineup. Still, his career high in games in a season is 137. Thats missing 25 games minimum and playing 1B in 10 others. 

In the National League, where there's no DH.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
LookinUp Hangout Grand Counsel

LookinUp

Posted
Posted
15 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:

...and if the Rockies stay in contention the Orioles should offer them anyone on their roster for one of their MANY 2B / SS prospects. That would solve our MI problem.  With Story, Hampson, McMahon and Rodgers at least one of them should be expendable. Offer them Bundy / GIvens for Rodgers. 

Exactly. I was hearing today that only 1/3 of the Astros roster was drafted by Houston. Talent acquisition will take many forms.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Just Regular Hangout Grand Counsel

Just Regular

Posted
Posted
13 minutes ago, jabba72 said:

Realmuto's career high in games started at Catcher is 125, they moved him to 1B for roughly 8-10 starts every year to keep his bat in the lineup. Still, his career high in games in a season is 137. Thats missing 25 games minimum and playing 1B in 10 others. 

I think you only need to look to other clubs for comps if you are a new enough Orioles fan not to recall how Buck used Wieters.  130, 139, 144 and 148 games over a 4-year period.  I remember when the Jake Fox spring earned himself the backup job and then he didn't play until about the 14th game.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Greg Pappas Hangout Grand Counsel

Greg Pappas

Posted
  • Author
Posted
22 minutes ago, jabba72 said:

Realmuto's career high in games started at Catcher is 125, they moved him to 1B for roughly 8-10 starts every year to keep his bat in the lineup. Still, his career high in games in a season is 137. Thats missing 25 games minimum and playing 1B in 10 others. 

Which position, between catcher and SS, do you feel has more of an impact in any given game?

For me, as has been stated numerous times throughout these threads, the answer is far and away catcher. A catcher is involved in every single pitch while we are on the field, whereas a shortstop is involved in a fair number of batted balls and other situations like covering a bag or relays. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Go to topic listing

  • Posts

    • Rbiggs2525
      2024 Ongoing Lineup Thread

      By Rbiggs2525 · Posted

      I don’t consider a 4 o’clock game a night game. He also caught Wednesday night and Thursday day this week. Moral of the story is McCann will start 4 games in 7 days because he is Burnes preferred catcher.
    • Sydnor
      Anthony Santander 2024

      By Sydnor · Posted

      It is absolutely possible. In 2022, the Mets gave a QO to Bassitt, Nikki, and DeGrom. The Red Sox gave a QO to Boegarts and Eovaldi. The Yankees gave a QO to Judge and Rizzo. The Dodgers gave a QO to Turner and Anderson. I know that it seems to be a foregone conclusion that Santander will not be on the team after this season, and while I generally agree that it is more probable than not that he will not be re-signed, I do think there is a non-zero chance that he will be retained. I think he is the most likely of Mullins, Hays, and himself to be retained, even if it is a small chance. The team has told us how they feel about his bat because he plays essentially everyday, and I have heard Kostka say that they value his clubhouse presence.
    • Philip
      Anthony Santander 2024

      By Philip · Posted

      Santander won’t get a QO, and if he did, he would accept. His defense is declining and we have too many capable youngsters who should replace him effectively. But to your question, I don’t know if there’s a limit, but I doubt it.
    • OriolesMagic83
      The 2024 Trade Deadline

      By OriolesMagic83 · Posted

      O's will probably have to wait till July for a trade because there are so many more buyers than sellers.  I think teams like the Blue Jays, Rays Tigers and Mets are likely to be sellers but they are still in the race although not very good teams as constituted. 
    • Philip
      The 2024 Trade Deadline

      By Philip · Posted

      No Scott. He’s way too undependable. We need someone who WON’T enter a game and walk folks like he’s promoting a healthy lifestyle. He’s been a lot bette4 this season, but he’s too undependable, and we already have too many of those. No Flaherty either. That’s like taking your GF back after she cheated on you.
    • 24fps
      The 2024 Trade Deadline

      By 24fps · Posted

      The team's continued success has really put Elias on the spot IMO and I don't see a Flaherty type as an option anymore.  My money is on a sensible trade that comes at a price high enough that most of us here, including myself, won't like, but a premium comes with having bad luck and that's where the O's are at the moment.
    • 24fps
      The 2024 Trade Deadline

      By 24fps · Posted

      I would be very surprised if every last one of the GM's Elias talks to about quality starting pitching doesn't start by asking about Westburg and the rest.  Again, I think it's a mistake to believe that the O's have a ton of leverage here.  They certainly have some, and Elias is smart and disciplined, but I don't see any bargains.  I especially don't see the luxury of acting like youth and multiple years of control is any kind of rigid starting point for the O's.

  • Popular Contributors

×
×
  • Create New...