I really want to keep Villar (Update: Traded to Marlins for LHS Easton Lucas)

[Legend_Of_Joey]

Just now, 7Mo said:

What was offered in July?

We don't know. But there was atleast an offer. 

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4 minutes ago, 7Mo said:

What was offered in July?

I don't know if anything was offered.  Elias just said he didn't make any deals at the deadline because the trades would have decreased the level of talent in the organization.  For all we know he was talking about Mancini. 

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, Philip said:

Takes two to tango. Mike can’t trade him if one wants him at the price.

He did trade International slot money.

[MurphDogg]

6 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I think if he was offered two 17 year old Dominicans I won't fault him for holding onto him in hopes of getting a better deal in the offseason.

Except Villar didn't do anything between the trade deadline and the end of the season to hurt his value, so if two 17 year-old Dominicans was the offer, and he thought he could get more then he misread the market and for that it is fair to fault him. Right?

[Legend_Of_Joey]

1 minute ago, 7Mo said:

So you think Elias decided in July to DFA him today?

And what did he refuse in July?

Pretty sure Elias knew they wouldn't tender him a contract by the deadline, sometime back before the trade deadline.

Also, he isn't DFA'ed...

[7Mo]

Just now, Legend_Of_Joey said:

We don't know. But there was atleast an offer. 

And maybe the offer was inconsequential enough that it made sense to keep him hoping his value would go up. 

Obviously this hasn't worked out great. But I'm struggling to see where Elias is at fault rather than the market is saying Villar has no trade value.

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, MurphDogg said:

Except Villar didn't do anything between the trade deadline and the end of the season to hurt his value, so if two 17 year-old Dominicans was the offer, and he thought he could get more then he misread the market and for that it is fair to fault him. Right?

Sure you could.  But I think the potential reward makes that an acceptable risk to take. 

Hard to say which route would be superior from a process standpoint.

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1 minute ago, MurphDogg said:

Except Villar didn't do anything between the trade deadline and the end of the season to hurt his value, so if two 17 year-old Dominicans was the offer, and he thought he could get more then he misread the market and for that it is fair to fault him. Right?

The fans now calling for Elias head got a marvelous third of a season out of Villar afterwards. Excitement and 40 steals.  So Mike paid for that. He felt the fans were worth it. 

[MurphDogg]

8 minutes ago, 7Mo said:

And you can conclude that having no idea what, if anything was offered at the deadline?

And you know he won't be traded between now and Monday night?

My conclusion is based on him getting traded for nothing. If he is traded for something between now and Monday, the conclusion could be different, although I don't see how given the complete lack of leverage.

It is based on what was stated at the time, that they were offered something at the deadline, but the offer didn't meet the Orioles standard. If that is incorrect, then the conclusion could be different.

[7Mo]

2 minutes ago, Legend_Of_Joey said:

Pretty sure Elias knew they wouldn't tender him a contract by the deadline, sometime back before the trade deadline.

Also, he isn't DFA'ed...

My mistake. Placed on waivers.

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1 minute ago, 7Mo said:

And maybe the offer was inconsequential enough that it made sense to keep him hoping his value would go up. 

Obviously this hasn't worked out great. But I'm struggling to see where Elias is at fault rather than the market is saying Villar has no trade value.

Maybe the offer required money or international slots to complete. 

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Roch now has a blog post about how Bundy's 5.7 million dollar estimate arbitration salary is steep territory for a rebuilding team.   I guess he will be traded or released by today.  I wonder how much money the son's want to take out of the franchise. 

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Just now, 7Mo said:

My mistake. Placed on waivers.

Outright waivers. 

[MurphDogg]

1 minute ago, weams said:

The fans now calling for Elias head got a marvelous third of a season out of Villar afterwards. Excitement and 40 steals.  So Mike paid for that. He felt the fans were worth it. 

Perhaps. I don't necessarily believe that, but it would be an understandable explanation.

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3 minutes ago, MurphDogg said:

Perhaps. I don't necessarily believe that, but it would be an understandable explanation.

Villar could not be released without penalty then. Now he can.