MiLB contraction

[weams]

 

 

[24fps]

4 hours ago, Philip said:

Manfred Has yet to make a move that makes him look good. I tellya, the bus keeps running over the wrong guy...

He had reverse gear disabled.  Learned it from Bud...

[scOtt]

I just read both letters. Man that's nasty as hell on both sides. Really strong, flat out language. If it was between MLB and the MLBPA I'd say there's definitely going to be a strike or a lockout. In MiLB's case that's not an option. Not sure what their move is to make...

[forphase1]

Having read both letters and followed the issue off and on the past few months,  I feel MLB is largely on the correct side here.   While this may harm me as my 2 favorite minor league teams may disappear,  I find the MLB arguments much more persuasive.  

[atomic]

What I find interesting and backs up what I have been saying for a long time.  The league says most baseball players drafted don’t make the major leagues and most players drafted after high school or after their junior year in college never get a degree.  
 

Sounds like MLB doesn’t want players to play in the year they are drafted and have less high school players drafted by eliminating short season leagues.  

[Chromehill]

Is it possible for MLB to just let each individual franchise decide how many minor league teams it needs in its system instead of having a blanket policy?  I can see MLB having minimum standards for playing field conditions, after that, does it matter if one franchise wants 6 minor league teams and another only wants 4? 

[sportsfan8703]

This pay the milb’rs was pretty dumb. It doesn’t hurt the parent clubs or the high bonus picks. It hurts the players drafted in rounds 11-50, the employees of the milb teams, the fanbases, the team scouts/personnel that work with the extra players, and the tax payers in these localities that built these milb stadiums, 

This played right into MLB organization’s hands.  They get to eliminate so much but yet go with a quality over quantity approach. Now there will be less job opportunities for people in all facets. Less player jobs, less team employee jobs, less coaching jobs, etc....

Why stop at the milb level? Why not demand that the coaching staffs in the NCAA, JUCO, and even in HS get paid min wage for all the hours they work?  

Edited January 30, 2020 by sportsfan8703

[Enjoy Terror]

Thinking from a purely economic standpoint, and even taking into account that billionaire owners “can afford to pay a living wage”, there’s not any strong reason to pay organizational filler to play baseball. Companies everywhere are trying to be lean by eliminating redundancies. I don’t see why baseball owners are held to another standard to increase wages while not downsizing staff. The MiLB is FAT with “unproductive employees”, as it were. 
 

That said, the congressional approval providing MLB a monopoly status should also be play here. If the MLB isn’t going to pony up and pay people, then they can’t be the only game in town either.

[atomic]

3 hours ago, sportsfan8703 said:

This pay the milb’rs was pretty dumb. It doesn’t hurt the parent clubs or the high bonus picks. It hurts the players drafted in rounds 11-50, the employees of the milb teams, the fanbases, the team scouts/personnel that work with the extra players, and the tax payers in these localities that built these milb stadiums, 

This played right into MLB organization’s hands.  They get to eliminate so much but yet go with a quality over quantity approach. Now there will be less job opportunities for people in all facets. Less player jobs, less team employee jobs, less coaching jobs, etc....

Why stop at the milb level? Why not demand that the coaching staffs in the NCAA, JUCO, and even in HS get paid min wage for all the hours they work?  

It might actually help players drafted in later rounds.  A lot of these guys are getting $10k signing bonuses or less and don't finish college.  They get a meager salary that isn't enough to feed them properly.  Then they are cut off after a few years and they go on with their lives.

[DrungoHazewood]

4 hours ago, Chromehill said:

Is it possible for MLB to just let each individual franchise decide how many minor league teams it needs in its system instead of having a blanket policy?  I can see MLB having minimum standards for playing field conditions, after that, does it matter if one franchise wants 6 minor league teams and another only wants 4? 

That used to be the case.  In 1948 the Dodgers had 26 (six above class B, which is roughly A ball today) affiliates while the Senators had 11 (and only one of those above class B ball).  In 1935 the Browns had two and the Cardinals 13.

[DrungoHazewood]

33 minutes ago, atomic said:

It might actually help players drafted in later rounds.  A lot of these guys are getting $10k signing bonuses or less and don't finish college.  They get a meager salary that isn't enough to feed them properly.  Then they are cut off after a few years and they go on with their lives.

So they'd be "helped" by being cut off, they never play pro ball, and are forced to get on with their lives a few years earlier?

[Pheasants]

1 hour ago, DrungoHazewood said:

So they'd be "helped" by being cut off, they never play pro ball, and are forced to get on with their lives a few years earlier?

Realism v. romanticism--no starving ball players,  no starving artists, no starving writers, no place in the world for dreams.  Either you are ready at 18-21 to amaze the world or you should go drive a truck.  Only the elite get a chance to prove they belong in the superelite.

[sportsfan8703]

Playing pro ball opens up avenues to get into coaching, athletic training, being an agent, front office work, and scouting.  It's going to be tougher for outsiders to break into those professions now.  

[Enjoy Terror]

9 hours ago, Pheasants said:

Realism v. romanticism--no starving ball players,  no starving artists, no starving writers, no place in the world for dreams.  Either you are ready at 18-21 to amaze the world or you should go drive a truck.  Only the elite get a chance to prove they belong in the superelite.

Let’s get a grip. You could say that now about the fact that the Orioles only have eight teams. Are you moping because the O’s don’t have 16 teams and lamenting the fates of all the poor players they aren’t hiring because of it? Of course not. If the Orioles reduced to five teams you wouldn’t be weeping for the 75 “potential players” without jobs from three contracted teams anymore than you are now in my hypothetical 16 team scenario. 

[atomic]

10 hours ago, Pheasants said:

Realism v. romanticism--no starving ball players,  no starving artists, no starving writers, no place in the world for dreams.  Either you are ready at 18-21 to amaze the world or you should go drive a truck.  Only the elite get a chance to prove they belong in the superelite.

No matter how many teams you have thousands of players won’t have a chance to play after college.  Tons more don’t even make their high school team.  It is just a reality that teams draft player they never see making it to even AA to fill out rosters.  Given the players a token $3k signing bonus while other players are given millions.