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I knew someone would make this joke.   Tried saying “typical Brooks” to cut it off. Just going by Rtot, Manny’s best season of +34 was slightly better than Brooks’ best of +33.    But Manny has n

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You mean when he actually ran?

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Agreed.  Many like to only remember the handful of times he lackadaisically jogged down first base. 

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59 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

LOL dont worry you will ge these. It happens to us all.

Not all of us. 

Just finished re-reading Where They Ain't, and it's weird how so many people from that era (and presumably the preceding million years) just got old and died when they were 50 or 60.  And these were baseball players, in better shape and probably better diets than an average person.  Willie Keeler died of congestive heart failure at 50.  John McGraw at 60.  Hughie Jennings was 59.  Joe Kelley made it all the way to 71.  Heinie Reitz died at 47.  Steve Brodie at 67.  Pitcher Bill Hawke died of cancer at 32.  Duke Esper at 43.

I think Boileryard Clarke and Bill Hoffer were the only NL Orioles still alive when the Browns moved in '54.  That's about the same distance in time as today is from the '66 Series.  There are a lot of '66 Orioles still alive.

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1 hour ago, Babkins said:

Our old friend Carl Ripken would say you're underrating him. Sorry, Brooksie.

It's funny how Cal made a career out of never, ever saying anything the slightest bit controversial.  He slips up once out of thousands of interviews and we will never let him live it down.

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2 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

It's funny how Cal made a career out of never, ever saying anything the slightest bit controversial.  He slips up once out of thousands of interviews and we will never let him live it down.

It's pretty dumb.  Also dumb is the whole notion that saying someone was a better defender than Brooks Robinson is sacreligious.  Now it's dumb to think that but the fact that people get so uppity when someone ventures to make that claim is obnoxious.

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10 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

Not all of us. 

Just finished re-reading Where They Ain't, and it's weird how so many people from that era (and presumably the preceding million years) just got old and died when they were 50 or 60.  And these were baseball players, in better shape and probably better diets than an average person.  Willie Keeler died of congestive heart failure at 50.  John McGraw at 60.  Hughie Jennings was 59.  Joe Kelley made it all the way to 71.  Heinie Reitz died at 47.  Steve Brodie at 67.  Pitcher Bill Hawke died of cancer at 32.  Duke Esper at 43.

I think Boileryard Clarke and Bill Hoffer were the only NL Orioles still alive when the Browns moved in '54.  That's about the same distance in time as today is from the '66 Series.  There are a lot of '66 Orioles still alive.

Better Healthcare.

Check this out:

Average Life Expectancy

1940 = 60.8 (Male)  and 65.2 (Female)

1950 = 65.5                      71.1

1960 = 66.6                      73.1

1970 = 67.1                      74.7

1980 =  70.0                     77.8

1990 = 71.8                      78.9

1998 = 73.8                      79.5

 

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9 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

It's pretty dumb.  Also dumb is the whole notion that saying someone was a better defender than Brooks Robinson is sacreligious.  Now it's dumb to think that but the fact that people get so uppity when someone ventures to make that claim is obnoxious.

Brook being the humble man he was, said that Manny was a better defender at third and could do things at third that he couldnt even dream of doing.

 

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14 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

Brook being the humble man he was, said that Manny was a better defender at third and could do things at third that he couldnt even dream of doing.

 

 

2 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

He might be right.  Who knows.  

Manny arguably was as good or better than typical Brooks in 2013.     But Brooks was fabulous every year for a very long time.   There’s really no comparison defensively over the longer haul.     Though Manny’s arm is something to behold.   

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Manny arguably was as good or better than typical Brooks in 2013.     But Brooks was fabulous every year for a very long time.   There’s really no comparison defensively over the longer haul.     Though Manny’s arm is something to behold.   

catching balls airborne in foul ground sidewalls and throwing a bullet to first while still airborne is super human feat.

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I'd say shoe in is a bit strong.  He's only been above average the last couple of seasons. 

5.8 rWAR and 6.2 fWAR in 2018 is not "only above average".

He had an off year last year, worse than even his age 19 season on a per game basis, but he is still better than 50/50 to make the Hall. Shoo-in is a bit strong since injury or tragedy can strike anyone, but if he even has a few more seasons like 2013-18, he will be well on his way.

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It's pretty dumb.  Also dumb is the whole notion that saying someone was a better defender than Brooks Robinson is sacreligious.  Now it's dumb to think that but the fact that people get so uppity when someone ventures to make that claim is obnoxious.

Brooks has a very good case for being the best defensive third baseman ever.  And of course he's a stand up guy of the highest order.  But the idea that he was the best every single year for 16 years is almost certainly wrong, and an artifact of a flawed Gold Glove voting system.

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