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[Moose Milligan]

9 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

You know I had to look this up, not doubting you, but it piqued my curiosity:

 

                                                                                                                                                 
Rk                Player Rbaser Year Age  Tm Lg   G  PA  AB   R   H 2B 3B HR RBI  BB IBB  SO HBP SH SF GDP SB CS   BA  OBP  SLG   OPS         Pos
1             Pat Duncan   -8.2 1922  28 CIN NL 151 670 607  94 199 44 12  8  94      40  31   1        22 12 28 .328 .370 .479  .850          *7
2           Tony Lazzeri   -8.0 1932  28 NYY AL 142 603 510  79 153 28 16 15 113      82  64   2         7 11 11 .300 .399 .506  .905       *4/5H
3            Dave Parker   -7.9 1985  34 CIN NL 160 694 635  88 198 42  4 34 125  52  24  80   3  0  4  26  5 13 .312 .365 .551  .916        *9/H
4         Randy Milligan   -7.5 1991  29 BAL AL 141 571 483  57 127 17  2 16  70  84   4 108   2  0  2  23  0  5 .263 .373 .406  .779      *3D/7H
5      Charlie Hollocher   -7.5 1922  26 CHC NL 152 692 592  90 201 37  8  3  69      58   5   5        37 19 29 .340 .403 .444  .847          *6
6        Harold Reynolds   -7.3 1988  27 SEA AL 158 663 598  61 169 26 11  4  41  51   1  51   2 10  2   9 35 29 .283 .340 .383  .723          *4
7           Manny Trillo   -7.3 1982  31 PHI NL 149 595 549  52 149 24  1  0  39  33   3  53   3  9  1  14  8 10 .271 .316 .319  .634        *4/H
8             Greg Gagne   -7.2 1994  32 KCR AL 107 409 375  39  97 23  3  7  51  27   0  79   4  2  1   8 10 17 .259 .314 .392  .706        *6/H
9            Roy Johnson   -7.2 1935  32 BOS AL 145 636 553  70 174 33  9  3  66      74  34   3         5 11 12 .315 .398 .423  .822        *7/H
10             Josh Bell   -7.0 2017  24 PIT NL 159 620 549  75 140 26  6 26  90  66   4 117   1  0  4  15  2  4 .255 .334 .466  .800       *3H/D
11             Red Kress   -7.0 1931  26 SLB AL 150 656 605  87 188 46  8 16 114      46  48   1         3  3 16 .311 .360 .493  .853     *5963/H
12           Aubrey Huff   -6.9 2009  32 TOT AL 150 597 536  59 129 30  1 15  85  51   7  87   5  0  5  15  0  6 .241 .310 .384  .694        *3DH
13             Pete Rose   -6.8 1982  41 PHI NL 162 720 634  80 172 25  4  3  54  66   9  32   7  8  3  12  8  8 .271 .345 .338  .683          *3
14           Dave Parker   -6.8 1977  26 PIT NL 159 706 637 107 215 44  8 21  88  58  13 107   7  0  4   7 17 19 .338 .397 .531  .927       *9/H4
15      Andrew McCutchen   -6.7 2018  31 TOT ML 155 682 569  83 145 30  3 20  65  95   1 145  11  0  7  12 14  9 .255 .368 .424  .792      *97/HD
16            Joey Votto   -6.6 2017  33 CIN NL 162 707 559 106 179 34  1 36 100 134  20  83   8  0  6  16  5  1 .320 .454 .578 1.032          *3
17        Prince Fielder   -6.6 2010  26 MIL NL 161 714 578  94 151 25  0 32  83 114  17 138  21  0  1  12  1  0 .261 .401 .471  .871        *3/D
18         Willie Horton   -6.6 1965  22 DET AL 143 572 512  69 140 20  2 29 104  48   9 101   6  2  4  12  5  9 .273 .340 .490  .831      *79/H5
19             J.T. Snow   -6.5 2000  32 SFG NL 155 627 536  82 152 33  2 19  96  66   6 129  11  0 14  20  1  3 .284 .365 .459  .824        *3/H
20        Gary Sheffield   -6.4 1996  27 FLA NL 161 677 519 118 163 33  1 42 120 142  19  66  10  0  6  16 16  9 .314 .465 .624 1.090        *9/H

 

As of today he's 4th worst all time.  Duncan had 11 steals and 28 caught that year.  Milligan must have just been thrown out on the bases an absurd number of times.  Dave Parker makes the list twice.  Nice to see Aubrey Huff up there, right next to the 41-year-old Pete Rose, probably still thinking he's 22.

 

Didn't expect to see Dave Parker there.  I know he wasn't a speed merchant but before he got bloated and too coked out, he looked like a pretty lithe, powerful guy that could run a little.  I know he won some GG's, probably primarily because he had a rifle for an arm.

8 minutes ago, Beef Supreme said:

Moose and GDavis were on the same team for the first two years of Davis' three years as an Oriole. I don't see how Davis' third and final year affected Milligan being traded.

Moose would have had more playing time, even though Davis missed a lot.  I think giving Milligan 1st base would have helped him.

[Beef Supreme]

2 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Didn't expect to see Dave Parker there.  I know he wasn't a speed merchant but before he got bloated and too coked out, he looked like a pretty lithe, powerful guy that could run a little.  I know he won some GG's, probably primarily because he had a rifle for an arm.

Moose would have had more playing time, even though Davis missed a lot.  I think giving Milligan 1st base would have helped him.

Moose averaged 575 PAs those two years. How much more playing time could he have received, realistically? Truth is, Davis at DH didn't take away any PAs from Moose at 1B.

[Beef Supreme]

In 1992, Moose had 577 PAs while GDavis had 442 PAs. Moose didn't lose time to Davis.

[Moose Milligan]

2 minutes ago, Beef Supreme said:

Moose averaged 575 PAs those two years. How much more playing time could he have received, realistically? Truth is, Davis at DH didn't take away any PAs from Moose at 1B.

Well, I stand corrected.  You're also coming off as a Glenn Davis apologist.

[Beef Supreme]

1992 Innings at First Base:

Moose 1,061

GDavis 18

[Beef Supreme]

Just now, Moose Milligan said:

Well, I stand corrected.  You're also coming off as a Glenn Davis apologist.

You can take that back, Sir.

[makoman]

12 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

Seems like its Moot now! I am not crazy about their OF without Mancini. Since we arent winning you likely sacrifice offense for defense in the OF. I think that will do more for the confidence of your young pitchers. I dont think there is any benefit to playing IF in the OF or guys that aren't good enough to play in the majors.

I am hoping that Hays gets 50-55 games in CF and Mountcastle gets 45-50 games in LF to see if he can play there. That leaves around 80 games for Santander and Stewart, perhaps more if Mountcastle gets some at 1B. All four of those guys need to play as much as possible this year so we can get more data on what we have with them. I'm indifferent about anybody else in the OF for 2020 unless they decide to promote Diaz, which is unlikely.

Edited July 15, 2020 by makoman

[Moose Milligan]

14 minutes ago, Beef Supreme said:

You can take that back, Sir.

Well you keep sticking up for Glenn Davis, I can't help you with your taste in ballplayers, Fidel.

[DrungoHazewood]

21 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Didn't expect to see Dave Parker there.  I know he wasn't a speed merchant but before he got bloated and too coked out, he looked like a pretty lithe, powerful guy that could run a little.  I know he won some GG's, probably primarily because he had a rifle for an arm.

I don't know how much it has to do with lack of speed so much as recklessness or aggressiveness.  He had years where he was 17-for-36 and 5-for-19 stealing, and he probably challenged outfielders a lot. And some years he lost.

I also think the data is incomplete.  It wouldn't surprise me if some players from the pre-1920 era crush the more modern players in negative baserunning.  There are game accounts I've seen from the 1910s that read like a 8-year-old Little League game with runners just taking off at any given moment and rundowns happening every other inning.

[ScGO's]

1 hour ago, Ruzious said:

That was a very polite way of responding.  I really can't believe anyone would be even close to ok with Wilkerson being the every day CFer.  I love Wilkerson's hustle, but him playing every day in CF or any other position would not be acceptable, imo.

Wilkerson needs to play in 25 games, get most of his reps at 3B/2B/or COF, only swing against righties, and learn how to steal a base.  He is fast, and has good sprint speed analytics. He's just never developed into a base stealer.  But if his job is to play defense, steal a base or pinch run, and he can put up something close to the .783 OPS he had against lefties, he's a piece.

[interloper]

37 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

Seems like its Moot now! I am not crazy about their OF without Mancini. Since we arent winning you likely sacrifice offense for defense in the OF. I think that will do more for the confidence of your young pitchers. I dont think there is any benefit to playing IF in the OF or guys that aren't good enough to play in the majors.

I mean it's 60 games none of this matters. Puig ain't moving the needle one way or the other except for a slightly higher level of fan entertainment. Hopefully we see some of Mountcastle and Kremer and that's about all I'm looking for. That and just making it through healthy. 

[Enjoy Terror]

5 minutes ago, ScGO's said:

Wilkerson needs to play in 25 games, get most of his reps at 3B/2B/or COF, only swing against righties, and learn how to steal a base.  He is fast, and has good sprint speed analytics. He's just never developed into a base stealer.  But if his job is to play defense, steal a base or pinch run, and he can put up something close to the .783 OPS he had against lefties, he's a piece.

*scribbles on clipboard*

”must... rework... entire approach... to baseball”

Let’s see, oh yeah:

”Develop the tools... you have.. yet to excel with... in over nine years... of professional and collegiate... baseball... experience”
 

Think I got it. I’ll let him know.

 

[interloper]

17 minutes ago, Enjoy Terror said:

*scribbles on clipboard*

”must... rework... entire approach... to baseball”

Let’s see, oh yeah:

”Develop the tools... you have.. yet to excel with... in over nine years... of professional and collegiate... baseball... experience”
 

Think I got it. I’ll let him know.

 

This got a chuckle out of me. It looked like we were on track for a no-Wilkerson season with his (multiple, now) DFA and Mountcastle coming and healthy Hays and the infield set. Those things are all still pretty true except for the loss of Martin, but there's so much uncertainty plus the expanded roster that he's FOR SURE making the team just because you can stick him wherever and he'll usually catch the ball. 

[Beef Supreme]

1 hour ago, Moose Milligan said:

Well you keep sticking up for Glenn Davis, I can't help you with your taste in ballplayers, Fidel.

Did you forget to take your pills this morning?

Show us one single thing I have said in ANY of my posts in any thread where I support/defend Glenn Davis. And, no, citing factual stats proving that Moose did not lose time -- Milligan finished with the 3rd most PAs in '91 and the 4th most PAs in '92 -- does not count as sticking up for Glenn Davis or being an "apologist" for him. We will be waiting...

[Ruzious]

5 hours ago, Moose Milligan said:

...I was talking about OBP.

Yes you were.