Keegan Akin’s debut

[Aristotelian]

55 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

 

You can bring in a LOOGY with two out to end the inning and remove him between innings, right?  So you can guarantee that some manager Joe Girardi is now carving out a role for a 60-game, 20-inning-a-year, last-out-of-the-inning LOOGY.

LOOILOOGY? Either way, I highly doubt Keegan Akin is going to be that guy after being drafted and developed as a starter.

[ScGO's]

Any of these guys look like a SP option for the O's?

https://www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/free-agent-tracker?sort=-1,1&sign=unsigned&pos=sp

Cashner is on this list.  What's up with Vargas?

[DrungoHazewood]

49 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

LOOILOOGY? Either way, I highly doubt Keegan Akin is going to be that guy after being drafted and developed as a starter.

It's the baseball equivalent of the guy who holds the football on kickoffs when it's too windy to stay on the tee.

[Number5]

2 hours ago, Aristotelian said:

LOOILOOGY? Either way, I highly doubt Keegan Akin is going to be that guy after being drafted and developed as a starter.

 

[Big Mac]

My opinion of Akin didn't change at all based on his appearance, and I've seen a lot of him in the minors so it would be problematic if it did.  At a broad level, I think Akin is good enough to hold down a spot at the back-end of the rotation for a year or two before ultimately being pushed to the pen by better arms coming up through the system. 

I would be trying to work him into the rotation over the rest of the season and hopefully get him regular starts.  

[CarrRun49]

On 8/15/2020 at 1:16 PM, O-The-Memories said:

Akin should get the innings that Carroll is getting. We cannot allow Carroll to continue pitching until he figures out his command. I'm struggling to think of a pitcher that has ever struggled more. 

Daniel Cabrera

[SteveA]

On 8/15/2020 at 1:16 PM, O-The-Memories said:

Akin should get the innings that Carroll is getting. We cannot allow Carroll to continue pitching until he figures out his command. I'm struggling to think of a pitcher that has ever struggled more. 

Not defending Carroll who has been awful.  But he has pitched two innings this year and he has been so bad in those 2 innings that you can't think of someone who has struggled more?

He missed all last year with an injury, but did pitch 8 good innings in the Arizona Fall League.

[DrungoHazewood]

On 8/15/2020 at 1:16 PM, O-The-Memories said:

Akin should get the innings that Carroll is getting. We cannot allow Carroll to continue pitching until he figures out his command. I'm struggling to think of a pitcher that has ever struggled more. 

Five walks in three innings.  For Brad Pennington that was called Tuesday.  Every Tuesday.  I think Steve Dalkowski once walked 11 guys during pregame warmups.  I was at a AAA game where Mark Wohlers was trying to get over the yips, or Steve Blass disease, and IIRC he walked every batter he faced and threw both a pitch that went about 40' and one that hit the backstop on the fly.  That had to be circa '98 or '99.  In 98 he walked 33 in 20.1 innings, in '99 he had six walks and recorded two outs.  Was demoted to AAA Richmond (when I saw him) and he walked 36 and threw 17 wild pitches in 12 innings.

And speaking of Steve Blass, he had that '73 season where he walked 84, hit 12 batters, and threw 9 wild pitches in 18 starts.  In July and August he pitched a little over two innings and walked 13, striking out one.

From August 22nd through August 28th, 1951 Tommy Byrne of the St. Louis Browns had the following performances:
22nd: 12.2 innings, 16 walks, got the loss.
26th: 1.0 inning in relief, two walks.
28th: 10 innings, 13 walks, also got the loss.

In six days he pitched 23.2 innings, walking 31.

Some other notable Oriole performance with a decided lack of command:

                                                                                        
Rk                 Player          Date  Tm Opp    Rslt      AppDec  IP  H R ER BB SO HR
1               Ray Moore    1957-04-18 BAL WSH   L 4-6      GS-6 L 5.1  3 5  5 10  4  1
                                                                                        
2          Daniel Cabrera    2006-04-12 BAL TBD   L 4-7        GS-5 5.0  3 1  1  9 10  0
3            Jeff Ballard    1987-06-03 BAL OAK   L 3-7      GS-6 L 5.2  3 3  2  9  3  1
4            Steve Barber 1967-04-23(1) BAL KCA   W 5-2      GS-6 W 5.2  3 1  1  9  6  0
5               Ray Moore    1956-04-18 BAL BOS   L 4-8      GS-5 L 4.2  8 8  8  9  1  0
                                                                                        
6           Jose Mercedes    2000-09-09 BAL ANA  W 10-3      GS-6 W 6.0  3 1  1  8  2  0
7           Mike Flanagan 1976-09-19(2) BAL CLE   L 2-3        GS-6 5.2  4 2  2  8  3  0
8             Mike Torrez    1975-04-20 BAL BOS  L 2-10      GS-4 L 3.1  5 7  7  8  2  0
9              Jim Palmer    1970-04-10 BAL DET   W 3-2        GS-6 5.1  4 2  2  8  4  0
10           Steve Barber    1963-05-22 BAL DET   W 2-1      GS-7 W 6.0  4 1  1  8  3  

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[interloper]

I thought he was fine. I'm not really seeing his strikeout numbers translating with the kind of stuff he was showing, but there's a ton that can be done with pitch selection and command improvement. So I'm not ruling out that he could be pretty good with more experience. 

[O-The-Memories]

On 8/17/2020 at 12:59 PM, DrungoHazewood said:

Five walks in three innings.  For Brad Pennington that was called Tuesday.  Every Tuesday.  I think Steve Dalkowski once walked 11 guys during pregame warmups.  I was at a AAA game where Mark Wohlers was trying to get over the yips, or Steve Blass disease, and IIRC he walked every batter he faced and threw both a pitch that went about 40' and one that hit the backstop on the fly.  That had to be circa '98 or '99.  In 98 he walked 33 in 20.1 innings, in '99 he had six walks and recorded two outs.  Was demoted to AAA Richmond (when I saw him) and he walked 36 and threw 17 wild pitches in 12 innings.

And speaking of Steve Blass, he had that '73 season where he walked 84, hit 12 batters, and threw 9 wild pitches in 18 starts.  In July and August he pitched a little over two innings and walked 13, striking out one.

From August 22nd through August 28th, 1951 Tommy Byrne of the St. Louis Browns had the following performances:
22nd: 12.2 innings, 16 walks, got the loss.
26th: 1.0 inning in relief, two walks.
28th: 10 innings, 13 walks, also got the loss.

In six days he pitched 23.2 innings, walking 31.

Some other notable Oriole performance with a decided lack of command:

                                                                                        
Rk                 Player          Date  Tm Opp    Rslt      AppDec  IP  H R ER BB SO HR
1               Ray Moore    1957-04-18 BAL WSH   L 4-6      GS-6 L 5.1  3 5  5 10  4  1
                                                                                        
2          Daniel Cabrera    2006-04-12 BAL TBD   L 4-7        GS-5 5.0  3 1  1  9 10  0
3            Jeff Ballard    1987-06-03 BAL OAK   L 3-7      GS-6 L 5.2  3 3  2  9  3  1
4            Steve Barber 1967-04-23(1) BAL KCA   W 5-2      GS-6 W 5.2  3 1  1  9  6  0
5               Ray Moore    1956-04-18 BAL BOS   L 4-8      GS-5 L 4.2  8 8  8  9  1  0
                                                                                        
6           Jose Mercedes    2000-09-09 BAL ANA  W 10-3      GS-6 W 6.0  3 1  1  8  2  0
7           Mike Flanagan 1976-09-19(2) BAL CLE   L 2-3        GS-6 5.2  4 2  2  8  3  0
8             Mike Torrez    1975-04-20 BAL BOS  L 2-10      GS-4 L 3.1  5 7  7  8  2  0
9              Jim Palmer    1970-04-10 BAL DET   W 3-2        GS-6 5.1  4 2  2  8  4  0
10           Steve Barber    1963-05-22 BAL DET   W 2-1      GS-7 W 6.0  4 1  1  8  3  

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I appreciate the post, but in my lifetime none of those pitchers have been as bad as Carroll so far. His ERA is insane, along with being wild. He's pitched two innings and given up 12 earned runs, much worse than anyone in the list above. He was atrocious in 17 innings last year with a WHIP of 2 and an ERA of 9. He shouldn't be anywhere near our roster. 

[DrungoHazewood]

40 minutes ago, O-The-Memories said:

I appreciate the post, but in my lifetime none of those pitchers have been as bad as Carroll so far. His ERA is insane, along with being wild. He's pitched two innings and given up 12 earned runs, much worse than anyone in the list above. He was atrocious in 17 innings last year with a WHIP of 2 and an ERA of 9. He shouldn't be anywhere near our roster. 

Hey, he only has the 10th-worst ERA of all time (min 1 inning):

                                                                                       
Rk                 Player   ERA  IP Year Age  Tm Lg G GS GF W L  W-L% SV  H  R ER BB SO
1           Harry Wheeler 81.00 1.0 1879  21 CIN NL 1  1  0 0 1  .000  0  6 10  9  4  0
2            Radhames Liz 67.50 1.1 2009  25 BAL AL 2  0  0 0       0  0  8 10 10  2  1
3           Mike Zagurski 63.00 1.0 2018  35 MIL NL 2  0  0 0 1  .000  0  5  7  7  2  2
4          Glenn Sparkman 63.00 1.0 2017  25 TOR AL 2  0  1 0       0  0  9  7  7  1  1
5           Jason Pearson 63.00 1.0 2003  27 STL NL 2  0  0 0       0  0  4  7  7  3  1
6           Mickey Mahler 63.00 1.0 1980  27 PIT NL 2  0  1 0       0  0  4  7  7  3  1
7        Frank Schneiberg 63.00 1.0 1910  30 BRO NL 1  0  0 0       0  0  5  8  7  4  0
8               Jim Garry 63.00 1.0 1893  23 BSN NL 1  0  0 0 1  .000  0  5  8  7  4  2
9                   Lewis 60.00 3.0 1890  99 BUF PL 1  1  0 0 1  .000  0 13 20 20  7  1
10           Cody Carroll 54.00 2.0 2020  27 BAL AL 3  0  0 0       0  0  9 12 12  5  3

Our old friend Radhames Liz had that wonderful 2009 season where he gave up 10 runs while retiring three batters.

And who can forget Lewis.  That was his only major league appearance, for the Buffalo Players League team in 1890.  Started, gave up 20 baserunners and 20 runs in three innings, got shuffled out to the outfield in the 4th and was never seen again.  Buffalo didn't give up, they lost to John Ward's Brooklyn team 28-16. Not too many major leaguers left that we have no biographical data or even a full name, but Lewis is one of them.

And just for completeness, here are all the major league games (since 1901) where a pitcher gave up 12 or more runs in two or fewer innings:

                                                                                               
Rk            Player          Date  Tm Opp   Rslt  AppDec  IP  H  R ER BB SO HR UER Pit Str GSc
1        Pat Caraway 1931-07-26(2) CHW NYY L 5-22  GS-3 L 2.0  7 13 10  8  0  0           3 -12
                                                                                               
2    Edinson Volquez    2016-06-24 KCR HOU L 4-13  GS-2 L 1.0  8 12 11  3  0  1   1  48  23 -12
3       Bubba Harris    1948-07-04 PHA BOS L 5-19       L 0.2  6 12 12  5  0  0               0
4       Hal Kelleher    1938-05-05 PHI CHC L 2-21 8-GF(8) 1.0 10 12 12  3  1  0               0
5        June Greene    1929-06-05 PHI CIN L 4-21     4-6 2.0 10 12 12  2  1  0               0
6        Jack Harper    1904-07-02 CIN PIT L 2-14  GS-  L 2.0 10    12  1  1                  0

Hard to top Bubba Harris.  Came on for the A's against the Red Sox in a 5-5 tie with two out in the 6th, got out of the inning.  Stayed on for the 7th, got one out, and left with his team losing 17-5.  The best part is the rest of the season his ERA was 3.00.  He threw 92.2 innings, and his ERA went up 1.06 runs on the basis on 2/3rds of an inning.

I want to know how you allow six hits, five walks, no HBP, and 12 earned runs. That's somehow 11 baserunners, 12 earned runs.

[Frobby]

42 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

I want to know how you allow six hits, five walks, no HBP, and 12 earned runs. That's somehow 11 baserunners, 12 earned runs.

Nine hits, not six.  

[DrungoHazewood]

1 hour ago, Frobby said:

Nine hits, not six.  

Cody Carroll has allowed nine hits in two innings.  Bubba Harris allowed six hits and five walks in 0.2 of an inning, but 12 earned.