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14 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

Sure. Why wouldn’t it be?  Less minor league teams mean you don’t need to draft as many guys which means, overall, you save money.

20 seems pretty skimpy.   You can’t stock a minor league team with that.    Sure you have some international guys too, but it doesn’t leave much room for error.
I guess we’ll see more undrafted free agent signings.   

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1 minute ago, Frobby said:

20 seems pretty skimpy.   You can’t stock a minor league team with that.    Sure you have some international guys too, but it doesn’t leave much room for error.
I guess we’ll see more undrafted free agent signings.   

I think the undrafted bit is key.  Most of the folks drafted after round 20 could just be signed as UFA.

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On 4/2/2021 at 7:03 PM, Frobby said:

20 seems pretty skimpy.   You can’t stock a minor league team with that.    Sure you have some international guys too, but it doesn’t leave much room for error.
I guess we’ll see more undrafted free agent signings.   

Or you have guys bouncing around the minors for longer than they would have otherwise - with no real chance at getting called up to the bigs.

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On 4/2/2021 at 10:03 PM, Frobby said:

20 seems pretty skimpy.   You can’t stock a minor league team with that.    Sure you have some international guys too, but it doesn’t leave much room for error.
I guess we’ll see more undrafted free agent signings.   

Actually, this is better for the guys who get drafted after the 20th round. Now they can be free agents and potentially get multiple offers and be able to pick the organization that he may be better fit in with more opportunity. If I'm a  catcher, do I want to sign with a team that drafted three catchers already  or one that may have more of an opportunity for me to play right away?

I like the 20 rounds. With free agency and DSL players that should be plenty and allow the cream to rise instead of drafting a bunch of senior college signs with very little chance of becoming major leaguers.

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Just now, OriolesMagic83 said:

Don't teams sign about 25 guys every year?  A lot of the guys in the lower rounds below 20, take a college scholarship, which has a lot more value than $10k or whatever they offer late round picks. 

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1- I don't think that many scholarships are out there for Baseball.

2- Teams can include money for college without infringing on their draft pool number.

3- A decent number of the guys drafted are already in college.

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4 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

Three things.

1- I don't think that many scholarships are out there for Baseball.

2- Teams can include money for college without infringing on their draft pool number.

3- A decent number of the guys drafted are already in college.

Each D1 team has 11.7 scholarships to give out. No one gets a full scholarship, and the top guys get about half of one. They do have other funds to use, grants and things like that. Kevin O’Sullivan (UF) told me that no player gets a full scholarship. 

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8 hours ago, Jammer7 said:

Each D1 team has 11.7 scholarships to give out. No one gets a full scholarship, and the top guys get about half of one. They do have other funds to use, grants and things like that. Kevin O’Sullivan (UF) told me that no player gets a full scholarship. 

A typical D1 guy will wind up with a scholarship that is one third of cost of attendance. A highly regarded pitcher would be more like 40% or 50%. That's one of the reasons academics are stressed because coaches are looking for a guy who can combine his athletic scholarship with academic money. 

And there are differences by state. Georgia has a program available to their high school graduates that pays some or all of their first year of a Georgia college. Lottery money is available in some states to pay for college costs. Louisiana has a good program I believe. Vandy has private funds they can access for guys they want. 

To corn's point above, MLB teams will provide funds for college as a part of a standard contract. They look at the cost of attendance at the school a kid is committed to and agree to provide that amount. As the years have gone by, there have been limitations on when that money is available and when it must be used, or lost. As you would guess, when a high school kid is weighing options between signing to play pro baseball or go to college, the college funds offered by the standard contract seem far away and less significant because most guys in that situation firmly believe they'll make it in MLB and play for a dozen years. 

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7 hours ago, 7Mo said:

A typical D1 guy will wind up with a scholarship that is one third of cost of attendance. A highly regarded pitcher would be more like 40% or 50%. That's one of the reasons academics are stressed because coaches are looking for a guy who can combine his athletic scholarship with academic money. 

And there are differences by state. Georgia has a program available to their high school graduates that pays some or all of their first year of a Georgia college. Lottery money is available in some states to pay for college costs. Louisiana has a good program I believe. Vandy has private funds they can access for guys they want. 

To corn's point above, MLB teams will provide funds for college as a part of a standard contract. They look at the cost of attendance at the school a kid is committed to and agree to provide that amount. As the years have gone by, there have been limitations on when that money is available and when it must be used, or lost. As you would guess, when a high school kid is weighing options between signing to play pro baseball or go to college, the college funds offered by the standard contract seem far away and less significant because most guys in that situation firmly believe they'll make it in MLB and play for a dozen years. 

A really great post. I was under the impression the MLB contracts do not do the college funds anymore, just what I was told about two years ago.

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11 minutes ago, Jammer7 said:

A really great post. I was under the impression the MLB contracts do not do the college funds anymore, just what I was told about two years ago.

They may not. My information is about 8-9 years old but that was the MLB speech at that time.

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