Does Jean Carmona still have time to be a prospect?

[Frobby]

Jean Carmona was the junior piece of the Schoop trade, acquired with Jonathan Villar and Luis Ortiz, who are no longer with our organization.    When we acquired him, Carmona was an 18-year old playing in the Pioneer League, which was equivalent to the Appalachian League, somewhere between the GCL and the NY-Penn League.    We didn’t have a team at that level, so we pushed him to (then short season A) Aberdeen in the NYP.   He wasn’t ready, and hit a miserable .226/.280/.301.    They tried it again in his age 19 season, with no improvement: .224/.290/.271.   Though he was still only 19, I think most people wrote him off.   

Fast forward past the lost 2020 season.  Carmona started 2021 in extended spring training, not a good sign.  But when Gunnar Henderson was promoted to (now Hi A) Aberdeen, Carmona took his slot at Delmarva.  

So far, the results have been decent: .306/.358/.367 in 14 games.   Not a lot of power, but at 21 he’s holding his own in low A as the second youngest player on the team (to Hernaiz).   

So, back to the thread title: is there still time for Jean Carmona to be a prospect?

[wildcard]

Sure.  At 21, why not.

[ChosenOne21]

I guess so, but anything he does is a bonus at this point. I don't have any expectations

[Hazmat]

I’ve been curious about Carmona as well.  This is what Tony said about him when I asked back in May:

”Carmona just isn't very good. His tools aren't that great and he just had very little strength.”

[Jammer7]

It seems like this year is the year the Orioles clear out some of the inventory in the minors. There was a lot of guys that they just needed to see play, and some have been released like JC Encarnacion and Jaylen Ferguson. Carmona still has time, I guess, because he still has a jersey on his back. But I doubt he gets many chances from here. He needs to keep hitting and I hope his defense is on point, because there is a lot of young infielders coming in behind him. 

[Pickles]

21 hours ago, Frobby said:

Jean Carmona was the junior piece of the Schoop trade, acquired with Jonathan Villar and Luis Ortiz, who are no longer with our organization.    When we acquired him, Carmona was an 18-year old playing in the Pioneer League, which was equivalent to the Appalachian League, somewhere between the GCL and the NY-Penn League.    We didn’t have a team at that level, so we pushed him to (then short season A) Aberdeen in the NYP.   He wasn’t ready, and hit a miserable .226/.280/.301.    They tried it again in his age 19 season, with no improvement: .224/.290/.271.   Though he was still only 19, I think most people wrote him off.   

Fast forward past the lost 2020 season.  Carmona started 2021 in extended spring training, not a good sign.  But when Gunnar Henderson was promoted to (now Hi A) Aberdeen, Carmona took his slot at Delmarva.  

So far, the results have been decent: .306/.358/.367 in 14 games.   Not a lot of power, but at 21 he’s holding his own in low A as the second youngest player on the team (to Hernaiz).   

So, back to the thread title: is there still time for Jean Carmona to be a prospect?

I think you kind of answered your own question.

[Tony-OH]

He's still very weak with the bat and has a below average arm for SS which will limit his effectiveness outside of 2B. He hits a lot of ground balls and rarely barrels anything but he has been slashing hits around. He just looks like he hasn't really grown into his frame any or at least it hasn't shown much in his contact. 

He's only 21, but you would like to see a little more strength in the swing. He's a NP for more unless something drastically changes.

[Aristotelian]

Two homers tonight. OPS up to .782. 

[Frobby]

On 7/6/2021 at 11:43 AM, Tony-OH said:

He's still very weak with the bat and has a below average arm for SS which will limit his effectiveness outside of 2B. He hits a lot of ground balls and rarely barrels anything but he has been slashing hits around. He just looks like he hasn't really grown into his frame any or at least it hasn't shown much in his contact. 

He's only 21, but you would like to see a little more strength in the swing. He's a NP for more unless something drastically changes.

Funny, he’s hit four homers since you wrote this.   Still kind of a borderline case but it’s nice that he’s showing at least a little pop.  Slashing .266/.344/.431 as of now.  A .165 ISO for a middle infielder isn’t bad.  

[sportsfan8703]

https://www.milb.com/player/jean-carmona-672802
 

Only 21. I say he’s back on the radar. 

[RZNJ]

K rate is quite high. I'm not buying any Carmona stock just yet but he's kind of done a Cadyn Grenier thing where he has gone from afterthought to a player of interest. 

[Tony-OH]

36 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

https://www.milb.com/player/jean-carmona-672802
 

Only 21. I say he’s back on the radar. 

He had a nice game today, but he's struck out 23 times in 51 High-A PAs so far. He's still young enough to keep running out there and see if something clicks, but he's not going to be a priority play soon and if not for the injuries to Servideo and Ortiz, he probably wouldn't be starting now. 

[Frobby]

He’s shown a little pop this year with 7 HR in 224 PA, compared to 5 HR in 540 PA in previous seasons.   I think that makes him, as RZNJ said, a player of interest.   But I wouldn’t go further than that, with the contact issues he’s had.  

[owknows]

17 minutes ago, Frobby said:

He’s shown a little pop this year with 7 HR in 224 PA, compared to 5 HR in 540 PA in previous seasons.   I think that makes him, as RZNJ said, a player of interest.   But I wouldn’t go further than that, with the contact issues he’s had.  

Isn't he Rule 5 eligible?

[ChosenOne21]

1 hour ago, owknows said:

Isn't he Rule 5 eligible?

If so, I'm all but certain no one is going to take him. 21-year-old outfielders out of high-A ball basically never get taken