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In the 13 games since the 2021 draft class joined the Shorebirds, they’ve scored 104 runs, an average of 8 per game.   They’ve hit double digits 5 times, scoring 18, 17, 11, 10 and 10 runs.   The team

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So typical. A thread started to be positive about the initial success of Mayo and the 2021 class.  How long does it take to turn into a negative thread on how the players aren't being handled properly

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3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Ahh how progressive, accusing folks on the internet of being homosexual.

How...quaint.

There's nothing wrong with it. What's the problem?

I didn't accuse you of being gay.  It just seems like Sportsguy has your back so to speak.

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4 minutes ago, 7Mo said:

Was JJ Bleday an advanced college bat?

Vanderbilt, good numbers, more walks than K's.

Yes, he'd qualify.

Oh my god, did a drafted guy not pan out as projected?  Oh no.

That's unusual.

 

It's baseball.  Prospects miss.  Guys come out of nowhere.

 

Do you think him spending more time in the minors is going to make him a good 1-4 pick?  You think a couple more years in the minors and he'll be ready to be a force in the majors?

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3 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

There's nothing wrong with it. What's the problem?

I didn't accuse you of being gay.  It just seems like Sportsguy has your back so to speak.

You really should just own that you were trying to call us gay for some reason.  It's pathetic and all but I'm not sure what else you could have meant by the get a room comment.

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4 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

You really should just own that you were trying to call us gay for some reason.  It's pathetic and all but I'm not sure what else you could have meant by the get a room comment.

Haha. It was a joke.  Yes, I inferred that you two were gay lovers because you two are like a tag team in this thread and he's coming to your defense like a pitbull.  Thou doth protest too much.

I don't believe anyone on here actually thinks you're gay because of my post, do you?  You can call me gay.  Wouldn't bother me one bit.  

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1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

Vanderbilt, good numbers, more walks than K's.

Yes, he'd qualify.

Oh my god, did a drafted guy not pan out as projected?  Oh no.

That's unusual.

 

It's baseball.  Prospects miss.  Guys come out of nowhere.

 

Do you think him spending more time in the minors is going to make him a good 1-4 pick?  You think a couple more years in the minors and he'll be ready to be a force in the majors?

Come on now. This started with you saying NO advanced college bat needs the minor league system. Now you've moved to "Tork will be up next year" and "prospects miss".

Your argument that advanced college bats don't need minor league development is nonsense. And that's what you said and you've said repeatedly. It's nonsense.

But it's your board. You and SG shout everyone down. So I'm out.

Not that it matters but was it you or SG that down voted my post? If you guys want me gone, just say the word.

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4 minutes ago, 7Mo said:

Come on now. This started with you saying NO advanced college bat needs the minor league system. Now you've moved to "Tork will be up next year" and "prospects miss".

Your argument that advanced college bats don't need minor league development is nonsense. And that's what you said and you've said repeatedly. It's nonsense.

But it's your board. You and SG shout everyone down. So I'm out.

Not that it matters but was it you or SG that down voted my post? If you guys want me gone, just say the word.

Haha. It's not you they want gone!  LoL

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4 minutes ago, 7Mo said:

Come on now. This started with you saying NO advanced college bat needs the minor league system. Now you've moved to "Tork will be up next year" and "prospects miss".

Your argument that advanced college bats don't need minor league development is nonsense. And that's what you said and you've said repeatedly. It's nonsense.

But it's your board. You and SG shout everyone down. So I'm out.

Not that it matters but was it you or SG that down voted my post? If you guys want me gone, just say the word.

I'll try and explain it to you.

I don't think advanced college bats need the minors.

That doesn't mean they might not fail in the majors.

That means that their ultimate success or failure in the majors won't be predicated upon their experiences in the minors.

Do you understand the difference?

If Matt Wieters has a slow bat 800 at bats in the minors ain't going to fix it.

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4 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Boy you think highly of yourself.

I don't want anyone gone.

I'm fine with using the /ignore function if it comes to that.

You are way more worried about me than I am you.

Just another one of your crazy theories. I don't give you a second thought until I see a post on here.  Your buddy asked me to leave OH forever.  So, it wasn't you.  I respond to a lot of posts on here.  Just so happens that you, SG, and Frobby dominate this board in the amount of posts.  What can I say? Frobby is smart, level headed, not full of himself, admits when he is wrong, and doesn't get shifty when he's cornered.  As for the other two, well ......

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26 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

Haha. It was a joke.  Yes, I inferred that you two were gay lovers because you two are like a tag team in this thread and he's coming to your defense like a pitbull.  Thou doth protest too much.

I don't believe anyone on here actually thinks you're gay because of my post, do you?  You can call me gay.  Wouldn't bother me one bit.  

The type of slight doesn't bother me at all.

The fact that you felt compelled to use a slight is the issue.

 

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2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

The type of slight doesn't bother me at all.

The fact that you felt compelled to use a slight is the issue.

 

There is no slight in being gay.  The joke is that Sportsguy was very emphatically protecting your honor.  Inferring that you were both gay was not intended as a slight.  It was intended to show he was going above and beyond.  Whatever.  If Sportsguy was a female I could have used the same "why don't you two get a room " joke.  Keep trying bucco.  I don't know where you can buy a sense of humor though.

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1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

Yep.  I stated as much at the time.

I'm not faulting Elias for not doing something this drastic.

I've also never stated that the minors aren't good for developing most players. 

I don't think it's needed for advanced college bats. 

I don't think much is needed for some high end prospect HS players.

You never heard me say Adam Hall didn't need the minors.

 

1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/v/vaughan01.shtml

Don’t forget that Vaughn had 245 PA in the minors in 2019.    He didn’t go straight to the majors.   He certainly was fast-tracked, though, and has done a respectable job.   

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