Owings

[MurphDogg]

11 minutes ago, Legend_Of_Joey said:

I think if Stowers comes up, McKenna probably gets sent down.

I don't think he should be. I would rather have McKenna than two backup infielders. As a pinchrunner and a defensive upgrade over every outfielder besides Hays and Mullins.

[NelsonCruuuuuz]

2 hours ago, Tony-OH said:

Yep, this is the rotation I see that makes the most sense but it's each of them on the bench every 6th game, not 5. And as you pointed out, it puts a pretty good hitter on the bench for pinch hitting duties. When Stowers and eventually Rutschman come up, it should make the offense better overall. 

Replace Owings with Martin and you now have some speed on the bench as well as an adequate defender around the infield to include SS. 

Yes!!!! Thank you. 

[NelsonCruuuuuz]

45 minutes ago, MurphDogg said:

I don't think he should be. I would rather have McKenna than two backup infielders. As a pinchrunner and a defensive upgrade over every outfielder besides Hays and Mullins.

Didn’t Tony say a few times about McKenna’s inability to hit fastballs above 92-93? That seems important. 

[MurphDogg]

51 minutes ago, NelsonCruuuuuz said:

Didn’t Tony say a few times about McKenna’s inability to hit fastballs above 92-93? That seems important. 

Don't know. But as a defensive replacement / pinch runner, I'm not expecting much with the bat. 

Here is a double off a 95 MPH fastball.

https://www.mlb.com/video/joe-jimenez-in-play-no-out-to-ryan-mckenna

 

[Frobby]

46 minutes ago, MurphDogg said:

Don't know. But as a defensive replacement / pinch runner, I'm not expecting much with the bat. 

Here is a double off a 95 MPH fastball.

https://www.mlb.com/video/joe-jimenez-in-play-no-out-to-ryan-mckenna

 

I do not think an outfielder with a sub-80 OPS+ is tenable no matter how well he defends or runs the bases.   You can shake a tree and find ten guys who can do those things and still hit at >80 OPS+ and are cheap.  

[wildcard]

8 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I do not think an outfielder with a sub-80 OPS+ is tenable no matter how well he defends or runs the bases.   You can shake a tree and find ten guys who can do those things and still hit at >80 OPS+ and are cheap.  

Then shake the tree.  I don't think anyone is against having someone better.   But for now the O's don't have a backup OFer that can field like he does in the large center or left field at home.

Find someone better if you can.

[Just Regular]

I am curious to see Stowers, but Mullins and Mountcastle sitting one game in six feels like a lot.   

The off days come a bit more often if it is just Mancini-Hays-Santander in the group, but I think I like them down 25% of days better than the two big guys down 17%.

Can't find Trey a contender soon enough.

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, Just Regular said:

I am curious to see Stowers, but Mullins and Mountcastle sitting one game in six feels like a lot.   

The off days come a bit more often if it is just Mancini-Hays-Santander in the group, but I think I like them down 25% of days better than the two big guys down 17%.

Can't find Trey a contender soon enough.

I think Santander needing to spend time at DH is messing things up a bit.

[seak05]

The rotation works, assuming you want all 6 to get roughly the same number of AB's (Hays and Mullins never rotate in as DH though). It wouldn't work if Adley was up though, as he'll also need some of those 1b/dh starts. 

Also if you're doing that sort of rotation you want your other bench players either to be IF, or a player who needs very few AB's/starts  

[Can_of_corn]

6 minutes ago, seak05 said:

The rotation works, assuming you want all 6 to get roughly the same number of AB's (Hays and Mullins never rotate in as DH though). It wouldn't work if Adley was up though, as he'll also need some of those 1b/dh starts. 

Also if you're doing that sort of rotation you want your other bench players either to be IF, or a player who needs very few AB's/starts  

I don't think you want a rotation with Mancini in the outfield.

[wildcard]

21 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I don't think you want a rotation with Mancini in the outfield.

Its a different rotation. One of Mountcastle/Mancini  at 1B/DH and Adley catching two/thirds of the time.   Adley at 1B and one of Mountcastle/Mancini at DH with Chirinos catching  most of the rest of the time.   Except when Adley is given a day off.

Probably don't want Adley DHing too often because if he has to move to catcher during the game it costs the team the DH.

[seak05]

26 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I don't think you want a rotation with Mancini in the outfield.

You definitely don't, Mountcastle and Mancini rotate exclusively between DH and 1B when they're in the lineup - but that's part of what really clogs it up when Adley comes up

[NelsonCruuuuuz]

3 hours ago, MurphDogg said:

Don't know. But as a defensive replacement / pinch runner, I'm not expecting much with the bat. 

Here is a double off a 95 MPH fastball.

https://www.mlb.com/video/joe-jimenez-in-play-no-out-to-ryan-mckenna

 

Thx. Agreed on d and speed plus good obp 

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

1 hour ago, seak05 said:

You definitely don't, Mountcastle and Mancini rotate exclusively between DH and 1B when they're in the lineup - but that's part of what really clogs it up when Adley comes up

Elias is likely going trade Mancini, but he needs to up his current .627 OPS if any teams are going to be interested.

[Tony-OH]

4 hours ago, MurphDogg said:

Don't know. But as a defensive replacement / pinch runner, I'm not expecting much with the bat. 

Here is a double off a 95 MPH fastball.

https://www.mlb.com/video/joe-jimenez-in-play-no-out-to-ryan-mckenna

 

Did you really point towards one time McKenna hit a 95 MPH fastball successfully as some kind of proof that you are right and I am wrong? lol

In 2021 against fastball, McKenna hit:

Avg    XBA     SLG    XSLG   WOBA XWOBA  WHIF%

.177    .197    .250    .317       .271      .300      34.1

Against 4-seam fastballs

.138    .136    .207    .237      .259      .267     42.2%

And because he has to gear up for fastballs, here's his awful numbers against changeups:

.100   .203    .100    .238      .143      .239    30.4%