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Cano https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/canoye01.shtml #22 Povich  https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=povich000cad Rojas https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=rojas-004jua Nunez https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=nunez-008jua

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Ok, just getting caught up on this thanks to being in meetings this morning. My take: Povich is the headliner and although I have not gone and watched him yet (I'll do that tonight) all reports is that he's adding velocity and becoming a guy. A three pitch lefty with a good change can be an effective 4th/5th starter and if his velocity continues to tick up or the Orioles are able to get more out of his change, we have ourselves a future rotation piece.  Cano is a Cuban so he's a little

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Obviously, it is uncommon to see a MLB player put on the IL for mental health. We all know his story, at least we have some insight anyway, and I hope all is well with him and his family. I truly wish him every good thing in life. 

That said, this is a business. I was a believer in his arm talent, but I loved the trade because Jorge’s confidence is very fragile. You cannot have that as a closer. 

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Ok, just getting caught up on this thanks to being in meetings this morning. My take: Povich is the headliner and although I have not gone and watched him yet (I'll do that tonight) all reports i

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I think this regime deserves some benefit of the doubt regarding evaluating talent.  They have done pretty well with the current crop of bullpen arms they have brought in this year.  I don't think the

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I liked the trade then and I like the trade now. The trade allowed Bautista to close and while it did tax guys like Krehbiel, it also allowed Baker to step up a bit too. Lopez wasn't great a

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This trade really messed with him. He was so happy here. Feel bad for him. 

Well, maybe.  We don’t really have any insight as to what his current issues are and whether they’d be any less problematic if he was still with the Orioles.   

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This trade really messed with him. He was so happy here. Feel bad for him. 

How can we know that? Has he said anything to that effect?  He is a professional baseball player, he should be prepared to change teams and adjust. And as you noted he has periods of success for Minnesota. I know you think he could have continued his waiver claim to all star closer performance had he stayed with the Orioles but that is completely unknowable at best. The much more likely explanation is that the Orioles guessed correctly his performance would regress.

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We know how devastated he was when he was traded. We know how much he loved being here. 
 

It’s not definite but I’m guessing it has something to do with things. In other words, if he was still here, I’m not sure he’s going through this.

Happiness means a lot.

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This trade really messed with him. He was so happy here. Feel bad for him. 

You sound like you are really tight with Jorge and know stuff no one else could possibly know or ……….

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We know how devastated he was when he was traded. We know how much he loved being here. 
 

It’s not definite but I’m guessing it has something to do with things. In other words, if he was still here, I’m not sure he’s going through this.

Happiness means a lot.

Can you remind me, what did Lopez say at the time of the trade (or afterwards) that would lead us to conclude that he was devastated by it?   I just don’t remember if he said anything at all.   

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Can you remind me, what did Lopez say at the time of the trade (or afterwards) that would lead us to conclude that he was devastated by it?   I just don’t remember if he said anything at all.   

I Googled "Jorge Lopez devastated" and came up with an article about his devastating sinker. Talks about how much he likes the Twins and supportive teammates.

https://www.mlb.com/news/twins-jorge-lopez-attributes-success-to-sinker

“The quality we are as a family, it's huge,” López said. “That's one thing I've been really fascinated with on this team. You can see everybody hug each other, help each other, and try to get it together every single day. That's good. It's good to be on these types of teams.”

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I Googled "Jorge Lopez devastated" and came up with an article about his devastating sinker. Talks about how much he likes the Twins and supportive teammates.

https://www.mlb.com/news/twins-jorge-lopez-attributes-success-to-sinker

“The quality we are as a family, it's huge,” López said. “That's one thing I've been really fascinated with on this team. You can see everybody hug each other, help each other, and try to get it together every single day. That's good. It's good to be on these types of teams.”

This looks like to me that he was very happy with his new Twins teammates so I doubt there was much "devastation" of being traded. Either way, it's very doubtful that a trade a season later would affect someone's mental state to the point of poor performance and needing to be put on the IL. 

Either way, i hope for the best for Lopez but I'm ecstatic how the trade has turned out already for the Orioles on the baseball side. where would this team be without Cano this year after the injuries to Tate and Givens have relegated them to afterthoughts o far this season?

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As a psychiatrist, I wouldn’t speculate without examining someone.  However, many people seek an “explanation “ of all mental health issues in psychological or social terms, i.e how his job, or relationships etc “caused” it.

The reality is that serious mental illness is often a brain illness with no more relationship to his life issues than if he had heart or kidney disease. 
 

I will keep a good thought and prayer for his rapid and complete recovery. 

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