Orioles sign Adam Frazier

[jabba72]

To sign him for $8m, thats pretty rich for a piece you dont need at all and may not even beat anyone out for playing time.  

Has to be some trades coming. Still dont really like him. 

[eddie83]

Elias said his plan was to add a LH bat that could be considered an everyday player. I wanted a Brantley or Conforto type. I’m not in love with this move but I can see the logic in it. At least here he didn’t oversell anything. 
 

With the rotation he said a #1-3 SP. Doesn’t look like we are going to see that. 

[eddie83]

7 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

Not if you don’t care about winning! Their actions so far this offseason should tell you that winning is not a priority. For me the offseason so far is a big fat F!

You think he signed him hoping he would suck ? 

[mall-O-cup]

1 hour ago, LookinUp said:

I think this is true, but it's spending money in an area that isn't a need.

But Elias seems to think it's a need, so maybe a trade actually is coming.

The suspense is killing me. 

Can't wait to see this trade.

[owknows]

1 hour ago, Tony-OH said:

Only the most Pro-Elias fan boy or sycophant could come up with a reason why spending $8 million on Frazier makes sense to an organization that has Urias, Westburg and most like Ortiz ready to play at the major league level.

 

I wouldn't exactly call myself a sycophant, and I can at least claim that I'm generally opposed to FA spending... but most of the time I can at least see some reason that can rationalize an Elias signing.

This one though, is a puzzler.

Almost like he got tired of hearing people complain about him not signing someone... ANYONE... 

So he signed someone. Anyone.

[Roll Tide]

3 minutes ago, eddie83 said:

You think he signed him hoping he would suck ? 

Does a poor person commit to a 5 year payment on a KIA Rio hoping it’s not a POS? YES ….doesn’t change the fact that it is!
 

I think Elias is feeling the pressure to make some additions. I also think his hands are tied by the provided budget. I don’t buy the double take excuses by him and Sneaky John (I use to call Peter, Sneaky Pete). 
 

Elias has been direct about his plan and hasn’t misspoke before the lift off comments. It’s pretty obvious to those not drinking the Koolaid. 

[Roll Tide]

7 minutes ago, owknows said:

I wouldn't exactly call myself a sycophant, and I can at least claim that I'm generally opposed to FA spending... but most of the time I can at least see some reason that can rationalize an Elias signing.

This one though, is a puzzler.

Almost like he got tired of hearing people complain about him not signing someone... ANYONE... 

So he signed someone. Anyone.

When he should’ve put the 10, 8, and 1 together. Then used it to. Sign a better SP.

[Just Regular]

MASN's young PR guys have put out their reaction piece - the one idea they mentioned I haven't seen covered here yet is maybe Frazier's corner OF flex pushes Santander to DH.     It doesn't seem likely that a slow middle infielder sliding down the defensive spectrum would immediately outfield Santander but maybe.     Who is the priority play between Urias and Westburg then for 2B?

Bench looks like Stowers, McKenna, Urias/Westburg loser, catcher, with none of Franchy, Mazara, Daz, Lewin, etc. making team.

They also mentioned Frazier platoon splits - as young man he's mostly had glove to stay in lineup even with platoon disadvantage.    To any who have wanted Hays downsized to Roenicke-type, Frazier might serve as a means to that end.

Frazier career v. RHP - 279/343/405 in 2346 PA

Hays career v. RHP - 252/306/421 in 938 PA

Trivia - Frazier and Westburg both Mississippi St.

[owknows]

2 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

When he should’ve put the 10, 8, and 1 together. Then used it to. Sign a better SP.

I'm OK with the cheap pitching.

But a mediocre middle infielder? We already have a bottleneck in the middle infield.

Even if we traded a couple of them.

And any one of them is substantially better.

[mall-O-cup]

1 hour ago, Just Regular said:

Visiting his Statcast page I also noticed it gave Steven Kwan as his most similar hitter from last year.   It is a given this player's loud contact metrics will be church mouse quiet.

I think this is one example what Buying Low looks like.    Any Buy Low will come with some risk the fan you think might still be there is just gone.

Tidied that up a bit for you.

[Roll Tide]

4 minutes ago, owknows said:

I'm OK with the cheap pitching.

But a mediocre middle infielder? We already have a bottleneck in the middle infield.

Even if we traded a couple of them.

And any one of them is substantially better.

Could’ve saved $8 million and went with Norby or Westburg 

[Camden_yardbird]

1 hour ago, Yardball85 said:

That's all well and good, but why spend $8M on a player when you have Henderson, Mateo, Urias, Westburg, Norby, and Vavra?

As I said, I would pressume it gives the Orioles a lot of flexibility.  The fact is $8 million wasn't going to get Taillon, Walker, Bassitt or Thor, so we have presumably moved to the part of the offseason where Elias is going to have to improve the team via trades or some such.  $8 million for an all star 2B a few years ago is taking advantage of baseball economics and inefficiencies.  Two years ago he was worth $28 million, last year $8.7, so he could easily be a value proposition.

Also I would point out that expecting Fraziers level of production out of westburg or Norby is foolhardy.  But you may be able to trade one of them for a longer term pitching solution.

 

[owknows]

Just now, Roll Tide said:

Could’ve saved $8 million and went with Norby or Westburg 

And been substantially better off.

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

Could’ve saved $8 million and went with Norby or Westburg 

Both are right handed.

[HakunaSakata]

Live shot of Mike Elias his offseason.