Adam Frazier 2023

[interloper]

2 for his last 14 (.142) with 2 walks, but only 3 Ks. 

He's cooled a bit, but still has decent ABs for the most part. I don't notice him as much as I do Odor. But it's a fine line. If he goes 2 for his next 14, Birdland might start getting restless. 

[Sports Guy]

2 minutes ago, interloper said:

2 for his last 14 (.142) with 2 walks, but only 3 Ks. 

He's cooled a bit, but still has decent ABs for the most part. I don't notice him as much as I do Odor. But it's a fine line. If he goes 2 for his next 14, Birdland might start getting restless. 

A bit? He is 4 for his last 31, his OpS is under 700 and 5 of his 12 hits came in the first 3 games of the year. Outside of a 3 hit OD and a 2 hit game a few days later, he has done next to nothing.

[emmett16]

On 4/19/2023 at 11:40 AM, Sports Guy said:

A bit? He is 4 for his last 31, his OpS is under 700 and 5 of his 12 hits came in the first 3 games of the year. Outside of a 3 hit OD and a 2 hit game a few days later, he has done next to nothing.

What they do with him when he is struggling will be very telling. 

Edited April 26, 2023 by emmett16

[interloper]

6 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

A bit? He is 4 for his last 31, his OpS is under 700 and 5 of his 12 hits came in the first 3 games of the year. Outside of a 3 hit OD and a 2 hit game a few days later, he has done next to nothing.

I thought you were just warning folks about small samples. 

I still like that he's hard to strike out, and he's been solid on defense. Doesn't mean I wouldn't replace him with Westburg or Ortiz right now - I definitely would. 

[Sports Guy]

5 minutes ago, interloper said:

I thought you were just warning folks about small samples. 

I still like that he's hard to strike out, and he's been solid on defense. Doesn't mean I wouldn't replace him with Westburg or Ortiz right now - I definitely would. 

He’s also coming off of 800 at bats of total dog poop. This is just a continuation of that.

Edited April 19, 2023 by Sports Guy

[Tony-OH]

1 hour ago, Sports Guy said:

A bit? He is 4 for his last 31, his OpS is under 700 and 5 of his 12 hits came in the first 3 games of the year. Outside of a 3 hit OD and a 2 hit game a few days later, he has done next to nothing.

I just went back through this thread and it was amazing the amount of posters taking victory laps after the Boston series. Since that series, a series where pitching looked like it was going out of style, he's slashed .163/.265/.163/.428 with no extra base hits. Defensively he's been ok, but not what he was billed as with -1 OOA and -3% success added with -0.8 UZ/150 at 2B. He does have 0.1 double play runs above average so right about average. 

On top of it, and maybe most shockingly, his spring speed has fallen to 25.7 ft/sec putting him in the 22nd percentile in MLB. For contrast, Santander is 25.8 ft/sec and James McCann is 25.4. 

So he's been a little below average to average defensive 2B, with back up catcher speed who has hit like a pitcher since Boston. 

At the end of the day, Joey Ortiz would be a better defender at 2B, would be faster, and most likely hit more than Frazier and cost major league minimum. 

Saying all that, I hope Frazier is just in a cold streak and will at least be average all around because I don't see Elias admitting his mistake anytime soon with Frazier making $8 million this year.

The Orioles will need better when they have to play the better team's in the league.

 

[Tony-OH]

1 hour ago, Sports Guy said:

He’s also coming off of 800 at bats of total dog poop. This is just a continuation of that.

Since the All-Star break of 2021, Frazier has now slashed .246/.309/.319/.628 over 911 PAs. His foot speed has gone from 27.1 ft/sec (53 percentile) to 25.7 (22nd percentile). 

But hey, he doesn't strike out much.

[interloper]

3 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

Since the All-Star break of 2021, Frazier has now slashed .246/.309/.319/.628 over 911 PAs. His foot speed has gone from 27.1 ft/sec (53 percentile) to 25.7 (22nd percentile). 

But hey, he doesn't strike out much.

Like I also said in that same post, I'd replace him with Ortiz or Westburg right now. It's possible to say and think two things at once! He's not as bad as Odor, but I'd still obviously prefer one of our prospects. Both are true. 

Edited April 19, 2023 by interloper

[spleen1015]

Greeeeeeeat, Tony. It's been quiet around here with the Frazier complaining. NOT ANY MORE!

Edited April 19, 2023 by spleen1015

[Tony-OH]

Just now, spleen1015 said:

Greeeeeeeat, Tony. It's been quite around here with the Frazier complaining. NOT ANY MORE!

Sorry, just bringing out the stats. It's amazing how much a good start or bad starter affects how people think a player is doing. We still have some people thinking Frazier was doing well and we still have some people who think Baker has been bad, but neither are true. 

Frazier had a hell of series and Baker had one bad appearance in Boston. 

Again, I want Frazier to do well overall because i don't see Elias pulling him out of the starting lineup all that much except against tough lefties. Unfortunately, the way Elias has built his roster he has two infielders that need to be benched against lefties (Henderson and Frazier) and only four infielders. 

Had he gone with Westburg or Ortiz at 2B, then he could have rested Gunnar against lefties and gone with a Urias (3B), Matteo (SS), and one of Westburg/Ortiz against lefties. And I haven't even brought up Norby.   

[yark14]

19 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

Since the All-Star break of 2021, Frazier has now slashed .246/.309/.319/.628 over 911 PAs. His foot speed has gone from 27.1 ft/sec (53 percentile) to 25.7 (22nd percentile). 

But hey, he doesn't strike out much.

He really needs to get some longer legs.

[Frobby]

27 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

Since the All-Star break of 2021, Frazier has now slashed .246/.309/.319/.628 over 911 PAs. His foot speed has gone from 27.1 ft/sec (53 percentile) to 25.7 (22nd percentile). 

But hey, he doesn't strike out much.

This cherry pick really bugs me. Frazier had a bad 5-6 weeks after the all star break.  He closed the year with an .802 OPS in September.  He had a .779 OPS for the year.  To act like “the second half of 2021” marked some turning point for him is extremely misleading given that he had a strong September.  Either count all of 2021, or none of it, but don’t give me this “post all star break” crap.  

As to 2023, Frazier has been worth 0.3 rWAR in 17 games.  That’s a 2.9 rWAR pace.  I can’t say he’s hitting well right this minute, but that’s going to be true of several guys at any given moment.  

Mind you, I wasn’t in favor of the signing and I have no idea how good or bad he’ll be over a longer stretch of games.  I just think the arguments about his 2021 performance are misleading, and that it’s too soon to know much about 2023.   

 

[Frobby]

PS - I do find the sprint speed decline concerning.  

[Pickles]

3 minutes ago, Frobby said:

PS - I do find the sprint speed decline concerning.  

He looks fast enought to me tbh.

I appreciate the approach at the plate, and the defense has been pretty good, clearly an upgrade over last year- everyone we put out there, not just Odor.

[interloper]

2 minutes ago, Pickles said:

He looks fast enought to me tbh.

I appreciate the approach at the plate, and the defense has been pretty good, clearly an upgrade over last year- everyone we put out there, not just Odor.

Kind of agree. Doesn't seem to be impacting his 2B defense, which is fine if unspectacular. Has 4 stolen bases which is obviously based more on good timing than pure speed. I don't really see his sprint speed as a big deal because he plays 2B and we don't need him to be fast. I just want him to get on base, which he's struggling with currently. That's the bigger concern. I also don't love his arm strength, but he's accurate at least. 

Edited April 19, 2023 by interloper