Adley Rutschman BB/K Watch

[Frobby]

5 hours ago, sportsfan8703 said:

When will the umps start giving Adley the superstar treatment. All pitchers do his pitch around him. The umps know this, but yet they still consistently give pitchers borderline/one ball off the plate strikes. 
 

Adley never argues either. It’ll happen because he’s the nicest dude in baseball, but the guy deserves the superstar shoebox strike zone. 

Did you notice in Saturday’s game that the ump called a low and away strike on Adley, got a look from him, then called the next pitch a ball when it was clearly on the inside corner?  It actually happened twice in that game, and Gregg Olson pointed it out both times.  Two obvious make up calls.

[Frobby]

On 5/3/2023 at 6:20 AM, Moose Milligan said:

Has a catcher ever lead the league in walks? 

From an article on Adley today:

“Rutschman currently holds the AL lead in walks by a considerable margin, putting him on track to become just the fifth catcher (sixth occurrence) in the modern era (since 1900) to lead his league in walks and the first to do it in more than 30 years.

“He would join Mickey Tettleton (1992 AL), Darrell Porter (1979 AL), Tenace (1977 NL and 1974 AL) and Roger Bresnahan (1908 NL) as the only modern-era catchers to pull off the feat.”

https://www.mlb.com/news/adley-rutschman-exceeding-hype-for-orioles-2023

Tenace’s 1974 season is listed above, but he played 1B more than C that year   He did play catcher primarily in 1977.

For the record, Tettleton was with the Tigers when he led the league in walks.  
 

Edited May 22, 2023 by Frobby

[Moose Milligan]

5 minutes ago, Frobby said:

From an article on Adley today:

“Rutschman currently holds the AL lead in walks by a considerable margin, putting him on track to become just the fifth catcher (sixth occurrence) in the modern era (since 1900) to lead his league in walks and the first to do it in more than 30 years.

“He would join Mickey Tettleton (1992 AL), Darrell Porter (1979 AL), Tenace (1977 NL and 1974 AL) and Roger Bresnahan (1908 NL) as the only modern-era catchers to pull off the feat.”

https://www.mlb.com/news/adley-rutschman-exceeding-hype-for-orioles-2023

Tenace’s 1974 season is listed above, but he played 1B more than C that year   He did play catcher primarily in 1977.

For the record, Tettleton was with the Tigers when he led the league in walks.  
 

Tettleton stings.  

I know they had Hoiles who they liked (and Hoiles turned out to be pretty great) but Tettleton for Jeff Robinson was a crap trade.

The late 80s/early 90s Orioles really shot themselves in the foot with some of the trades they made.  If they don't trade for Jeff Robinson and if they don't trade for Glenn Davis, the 90s are probably way different.

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

Just now, Moose Milligan said:

Tettleton stings.  

I know they had Hoiles who they liked (and Hoiles turned out to be pretty great) but Tettleton for Jeff Robinson was a crap trade.

The late 80s/early 90s Orioles really shot themselves in the foot with some of the trades they made.  If they don't trade for Jeff Robinson and if they don't trade for Glenn Davis, the 90s are probably way different.

The only reason Tettleton for Jeff Robinson trade doesn't get talked about more is thanks to it happening the same off-season as the infamous Glenn Davis trade.

If advanced metrics were more paid attention to at that time the Orioles don't make that trade. For an "off year" Tettleton still manged to put up a 116 OPS+ and .376 OBP.

[Moose Milligan]

39 minutes ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

The only reason Tettleton for Jeff Robinson trade doesn't get talked about more is thanks to it happening the same off-season as the infamous Glenn Davis trade.

If advanced metrics were more paid attention to at that time the Orioles don't make that trade. For an "off year" Tettleton still manged to put up a 116 OPS+ and .376 OBP.

That's a good call about the same offseason. I think the other reason it doesn't get talked about is because Tettleton didn't go on to have a borderline HoF career the way Schilling did. 

Advanced metrics weren't a thing.  They had no idea what an OPS+ was at the time and I don't think anyone valued OBP the way they do now.  

They probably saw his batting average dipped to .223 and he didn't hit for as much power so they decided it'd be a good move.  

The Tigers didn't care, they just wanted guys who could bash the ball over the fence.  Those early 90s Tigers teams were fun, IIRC, they could score a bunch of runs but their pitching was always awful.  

Anyway, the early 90s Orioles look way different with Hoiles at C, Tettleton and 1B/C/DH and Milligan at 1B/DH, all of those guys are on base machines.  Then you have a rotation of Mussina, Schilling, McDonald, Harnisch and pick your fifth.  An outfield of Brady, Devo and Finley.  

I don't know if that team unseats the Blue Jays in '92 and '93 but I think they'd give them hell.  

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

 I don't think anyone valued OBP the way they do now.  

 

 

Earl did but he was out of the loop.

[Three Run Homer]

1 hour ago, Moose Milligan said:

 

Advanced metrics weren't a thing.  They had no idea what an OPS+ was at the time and I don't think anyone valued OBP the way they do now.  

 

Bill James was shouting from the rooftops about the importance of on-base percentage back then, and his annual Baseball Abstracts were selling like hotcakes.  But lots of front offices were still in thrall to BA/HR/RBI.  

[Just Regular]

Not just same offseason....my high school memory is the spin in the paper was the transactions were interrelated.    We didn't need Froot Loops anymore, you see.      But we did need to backfill that pitching....

• January 10, 1991

  Traded Steve Finley, Pete Harnisch and Curt Schilling to the Houston Astros. Received Glenn Davis.

• January 11, 1991

  Traded Mickey Tettleton to the Detroit Tigers. Received Jeff Robinson.

[Aristotelian]

2 BB, 1 K vs Yankees, 1 BB, 0 K vs Texas. +10 for the season. OBP is .397. 

By the way Frazier is at 17/17.

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

On 5/22/2023 at 7:20 PM, Just Regular said:

Not just same offseason....my high school memory is the spin in the paper was the transactions were interrelated.    We didn't need Froot Loops anymore, you see.      But we did need to backfill that pitching....

• January 10, 1991

  Traded Steve Finley, Pete Harnisch and Curt Schilling to the Houston Astros. Received Glenn Davis.

• January 11, 1991

  Traded Mickey Tettleton to the Detroit Tigers. Received Jeff Robinson.

Jeez, didn't realize those trades happened on back-to-back days. Two of the worst off-season trades in team history were practically on the same day

[Aristotelian]

It's been a couple weeks since the last update. This has been a tough stretch for Adley's K/BB. After getting to +12 at the end of May, he has struck out at least once in every game since June 1 for 9 K's to 3 BB. Overall the margin is down to +6, 46:40. OBP is .390 and his BB number continues to lead MLB. 

[Aristotelian]

Not a good month for Adley. BB/K now sits at 50/47 for a +3 margin. OAK's Noda has pulled ahead for the AL BB lead. OBP down to .376, OPS to .791.

[Aristotelian]

Terrible series for Adley in the K department, but he did hit that 460+ foot bomb before heading off to the festivities. He had 5 K's in the last two games before the break, now putting him underwater for the first time this year, 55 BB/59 K. 

 

[Sports Guy]

 

[interloper]

5 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

 

And to still have that many walks with 50 blown calls on him.