So who are the sellers right now?

[osfan83]

1 hour ago, HakunaSakata said:

So you've already written off Colton Cowser after 16 MLB at bats? Cowser is the future, Santander is the past. 

Well I would say Cowser is the future, Santander is the present. 

[Baltimorecuse]

3 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

Is this satire?

No, but we'll both find out.

[Baltimorecuse]

1 hour ago, osfan83 said:

Well I would say Cowser is the future, Santander is the present. 

My opinion is he'll never match Santander.  

[Baltimorecuse]

3 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

Is this satire?

I don't think so.  

[Sports Guy]

2 minutes ago, Baltimorecuse said:

My opinion is he'll never match Santander.  

In what way? You don’t think Cowser can be a 1-2 WAR player?

[Baltimorecuse]

I think WAR and a buck gets you a cup of senior citizen coffee at Mickey D's.  I think Santander will drive in a 100 this year, and hit 30+ homers, barring injury.  I HOPE there is a better version of Cowser than we've seen so far.  

[Frobby]

2 hours ago, Baltimorecuse said:

I think WAR and a buck gets you a cup of senior citizen coffee at Mickey D's.  I think Santander will drive in a 100 this year, and hit 30+ homers, barring injury.  I HOPE there is a better version of Cowser than we've seen so far.  

I think it’s pretty likely (70%) that Cowser has a better career than Santander’s.  Maybe not more homers or RBI’s.   Better BA, better OBP, more runs scored, better defense.  But that’s not to diss what Santander has accomplished, or may still accomplish in the future.  He’s a solid player.   

[Just Regular]

We'll see both teams in the next couple weeks, but the Baseball Trade Values podcast folks this week had the take both the Rays and the Dodgers (and their strong farms) have had so many pitching injuries they too will be in the thick of it fighting it out for Giolito, Eduardo and anyone else important.

[accinfo]

3 hours ago, Baltimorecuse said:

 I HOPE there is a better version of Cowser than we've seen so far.  

He has had 16 at bats.  So far?

[eddie83]

24 minutes ago, Just Regular said:

We'll see both teams in the next couple weeks, but the Baseball Trade Values podcast folks this week had the take both the Rays and the Dodgers (and their strong farms) have had so many pitching injuries they too will be in the thick of it fighting it out for Giolito, Eduardo and anyone else important.

I think there is a ton of SP’s who will be available with expiring contracts. 
 

The Dodgers win the West, they get a bye. Same with Rays. Would be nice to be greedy and win the division. 

[Baltimorecuse]

32 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I think it’s pretty likely (70%) that Cowser has a better career than Santander’s.  Maybe not more homers or RBI’s.   Better BA, better OBP, more runs scored, better defense.  But that’s not to diss what Santander has accomplished, or may still accomplish in the future.  He’s a solid player.   

I base nothing on AAA numbers, and nothing on WAR.  WAR is a statistical bridge too far for me.  There's too much subjectivity.  I don't think Cowser has the power people think he does.  

[Baltimorecuse]

1 minute ago, Baltimorecuse said:

I base nothing on AAA numbers, and nothing on WAR.  WAR is a statistical bridge too far for me.  There's too much subjectivity.  I don't think Cowser has the power people think he does.  

You see what you see and I see what I see.  

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Baltimorecuse said:

I base nothing on AAA numbers, and nothing on WAR.  WAR is a statistical bridge too far for me.  There's too much subjectivity.  I don't think Cowser has the power people think he does.  

WAR isn't that subjective

Batting Runs (RBI)- not subjective

Fielding Runs Above Average - You need some way to measure defense

Positional Adjustment - reasonable to me, the ability to play catcher is more valuable than the ability to play first base

League Adjustment - Of course deadball and steroid era stats should not be treated the same

Base Running Runs  - not subjective

Runs Added or Lost Due to Grounding into Double Plays- not subjective

 

/Runs Per Win.

 

Had you ever looked into what went into WAR?

[Tryptamine]

Runs and RBI are extremely team dependent.  It's like measuring a pitcher by wins, it's far too elementary to be able to isolate individual performance.  WAR certainly shouldn't be relied upon on its own or really even used as a predictive stat, but as far as an all encompassing stat for player accumulated value in a given year , it's the best we have.

[Baltimorecuse]

1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

WAR isn't that subjective

Batting Runs (RBI)- not subjective

Fielding Runs Above Average - You need some way to measure defense

Positional Adjustment - reasonable to me, the ability to play catcher is more valuable than the ability to play first base

League Adjustment - Of course deadball and steroid era stats should not be treated the same

Base Running Runs  - not subjective

Runs Added or Lost Due to Grounding into Double Plays- not subjective

 

/Runs Per Win.

 

Had you ever looked into what went into WAR?

Actually I did.  How those numbers are weighted, particularly fielding numbers, is subjective.  As I understand it, there is more than one WAR.