If Elias does very little at the deadline...

[Billy F-Face3]

Interesting read and makes sense of why we see so much senseless hoarding of prospects we can never dream to play. It's not Elias; It's Sig. 

Don't expect anything but for them to sit on their hands. 

https://ibb.co/6WqcJZq

[Billy F-Face3]

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[Hallas]

49 minutes ago, HakunaSakata said:

I brought this up in another thread too. The time to trade those players will be during the offseason. Mountcastle too. I'd be perfectly fine with seeing two out of three of them traded during the offseason. 

If you are okay gambling with Kjerstad for this year you could package Mountcastle with a prospect for a pitcher.  But you'd better be getting a starter back.

The other 2 I agree are offseason trade bait.

[Greg Pappas]

I'd use the word disappointing to describe my feelings if we didn't fulfill at least a bona fide high quality reliever (Foley, Lange, Middleton), and some in the dugout may be disappointed as well.  But we don't know what restrictions Elias is working under (ownership) nor what the cost would have been to get what we need.   Regardless. it feels good to have a "GM" most of us are very happy is here.

Edited July 27, 2023 by Greg Pappas

[George Zuverink]

1 hour ago, tntoriole said:

Pitched 17 seasons.. 43 WAR lifetime 

 

A control specialist, Pappas pitched in 520 games, starting 465, with 209 wins, 164 losses, 43 shutouts, 1,728 strikeouts and a 3.40 ERA in 3,186 innings pitched. He was a three-time All-Star player for the Orioles and was inducted into the Baltimore Orioles Hall of Fame in 1985. 

As I recall, he had a slider that in current terms would have been called  plus.

[tntoriole]

Just now, George Zuverink said:

As I recall, he had a slider that in current terms would have been called  plus.

He could paint the corners.. inside and outside 

[tntoriole]

32 minutes ago, Billy F-Face3 said:

Interesting read and makes sense of why we see so much senseless hoarding of prospects we can never dream to play. It's not Elias; It's Sig. 

Don't expect anything but for them to sit on their hands. 

https://ibb.co/6WqcJZq

He may be right. 

[Too Tall]

I don't know what to think. Starting pitching - there are so many buyers I am afraid the price will be too high for anyone better than Irvin or Voth. They may be the ones with fresh arms that cover. Same to a degree with relief pitching. So, I'm not expecting much. Hope I'm wrong but not going to quit watching if I am.

[Orioles0615]

1 hour ago, interloper said:

Why do I get the feeling we're gonna come away with, like, Carlos Carrasco... lol

We are going to get Lance Lynn. A 36 year old who is awful this year but Elias has "I can fix you" syndrome just because his k rate his up. Well so is his ERA, WHIP, hits allowed, and HR allowed 

Edited July 27, 2023 by Orioles0615

[Tryptamine]

13 minutes ago, Orioles0615 said:

We are going to get Lance Lynn. A 36 year old who is awful this year but Elias has "I can fix you" syndrome just because his k rate his up. Well so is his ERA, WHIP, hits allowed, and HR allowed 

He's actually still quite good against righties(.658OPS), but he has been an unmitigated disaster against lefties(1.037OPS). Unless someone sees something they think they can instantly fix, I'd guess he'd be a pen guy.

[baltfan]

1 hour ago, Billy F-Face3 said:

Interesting read and makes sense of why we see so much senseless hoarding of prospects we can never dream to play. It's not Elias; It's Sig. 

Don't expect anything but for them to sit on their hands. 

https://ibb.co/6WqcJZq

He might be correct

[Sanfran327]

How much do the Mets care about money? If we took on either one of the FULL contracts for Scherzer or Verlander, we may not need to give up much. I'd actually do that in a second. Verlander has this year and next year at $43M each, and Scherzer has a 3rd year at the same price, but can opt out after this season. 

I'd take either one at full contract value if it meant not having to send a whole lot back in return. A package of the non-untouchables wouldn't bother me in the slightest, but IDK if that's realistic or not, even with taking on a full contract.

[Matt Bennett]

32 minutes ago, Orioles0615 said:

We are going to get Lance Lynn. A 36 year old who is awful this year but Elias has "I can fix you" syndrome just because his k rate his up. Well so is his ERA, WHIP, hits allowed, and HR allowed 

I really wouldn't mind someone like Lynn. Yeah, he's been bad. But I don't think he's as bad as he's been. His peripherals are better, and even if he's like a 5.00 ERA guy, couldn't he pitch to a 4.00 ERA the rest of the way to "regress" to his periperhals/career #'s? 

It's like an anti Gerardo Parra trade. He has a 140 OPS+ with Milwaukee, so of course he hits to a 69 OPS+ to us to regress back to his career mediocrity.

Of course a Scherzer, Cease, Burnes type would be nice. But I can also the help in just getting another body and eventually transitioning Wells to the bullpen. 

[7Mo]

2 hours ago, Billy F-Face3 said:

Interesting read and makes sense of why we see so much senseless hoarding of prospects we can never dream to play. It's not Elias; It's Sig. 

Don't expect anything but for them to sit on their hands. 

https://ibb.co/6WqcJZq

I wonder if Sig feels the same about trading prospects for guys with plenty of team control, as opposed to a rental?

We've seen Hernaiz for Irvin. We've seen Lucas for Fuji. I hope his point is not trading prospects for rentals rather than pushing back on trading more highly thought of prospects for players with 2-3 years of remaining control. 

[Billy F-Face3]

7 minutes ago, Sanfran327 said:

How much do the Mets care about money? If we took on either one of the FULL contracts for Scherzer or Verlander, we may not need to give up much. I'd actually do that in a second. Verlander has this year and next year at $43M each, and Scherzer has a 3rd year at the same price, but can opt out after this season. 

I'd take either one at full contract value if it meant not having to send a whole lot back in return. A package of the non-untouchables wouldn't bother me in the slightest, but IDK if that's realistic or not, even with taking on a full contract.

Dumping their salaries is actually the prime motivation for trading them. 3 or 4 weeks ago, Steve Cohen was all of the sports networks for having said in a conference that if the Mets didn't turn things around he would see the need to recoup some of that money, or something along that notion. I don't remember the exact quote but he was basically saying he was trying to recover some of his losses with the contracts he's awarded.

And as of late, I've heard the Mets are listening to offers to trade Verlander and Scherzer.

The problem is, whoever gets them might be stuck in the same situation as the Mets with being in an over priced contract on aging players. That said, Verlander is still pitching good, and Elias tends to like some of the same players he was associated with as a member of the Astros organization. Verlander was one of those players, so I can see some appeal there for Elias being interested in a short term reunion with Verlander, but what I don't see is him willing to take on that type of money.

I also don't see Sig interested in any of this trade deadline business. He didn't want Verlander the first time, so I don't see Sig approving any big trades this year. He's a prospect hoarder and would rather watch those prospect's careers rot in the organizations' minor league than to get an established star player. In reality, we have alot of prospects who have a better chance of opportunity with another franchise because there's just not enough room for all of them.

I digress. I'm working myself into a rant.