If Elias does very little at the deadline...

[tntoriole]

15 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Not totally a fair comparison as free agency didn't exist back then.  But I won't continue to pick nits like @Can_of_corn

My Dad was a huge Milt Pappas fan and I remember in 1965 him ranting about that trade all winter .  Glad he wasn’t in charge. He would have fit in on the OH though. Lol 

[Moose Milligan]

6 minutes ago, tntoriole said:

My Dad was a huge Milt Pappas fan and I remember in 1965 him ranting about that trade all winter .  Glad he wasn’t in charge. He would have fit in on the OH though. Lol 

He wasn't terrible after he was traded.  I always thought that was the funny thing about it...it was lopsided, but not in a Glenn Davis type of way.  

[oriole]

If he doesn’t do much then I imagine that means he deems the price too high.  Eventually it will become a problem that can’t be ignored when you’ve got far too many outfielders and/or infielders. 
 

I could see him trading an established guy rather than prospects. Maybe Santander or Hays for another established player. 

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

He wasn't terrible after he was traded.  I always thought that was the funny thing about it...it was lopsided, but not in a Glenn Davis type of way.  

I think that is the type of trade that doesn't get made today due to the increased amount of data out there.

Pappas wasn't a stiff but there is no doubt that his numbers were positively impacted by the defense playing behind him and the park he was in.

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, oriole said:

If he doesn’t do much then I imagine that means he deems the price too high.  Eventually it will become a problem that can’t be ignored when you’ve got far too many outfielders and/or infielders. 
 

I could see him trading an established guy rather than prospects. Maybe Santander or Hays for another established player. 

The issue with trading Santander or Hays is mostly you have teams that are struggling as being the potential trade partners.  Normally that isn't a great fit.

[baltfan]

If he gets another reliever and that is all, I will be ok with that.   We don't know how Hall is doing.  We don't know how Means is doing.  Either or both of them could contribute down the stretch.  Even when Hall was struggling with velocity he still struck out 9 in relief earlier in the year.  

[tntoriole]

25 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

He wasn't terrible after he was traded.  I always thought that was the funny thing about it...it was lopsided, but not in a Glenn Davis type of way.  

Pitched 17 seasons.. 43 WAR lifetime 

 

A control specialist, Pappas pitched in 520 games, starting 465, with 209 wins, 164 losses, 43 shutouts, 1,728 strikeouts and a 3.40 ERA in 3,186 innings pitched. He was a three-time All-Star player for the Orioles and was inducted into the Baltimore Orioles Hall of Fame in 1985. 

Edited July 27, 2023 by tntoriole

[baltfan]

In follow-up, this offseason is going to be key.  How well does he do at getting some value for guys they need to move on from.  To me that is Hays or Mountcastle plus Mateo.  The only problem with that is that the team might become a little too left-handed when you bring Heston up and ship one of Mounty or Hays out.  That gets fixed a bit once Mayo is ready.  Of course, you have to believe in O'Hearn at least against righties for this.

I wouldn't trade Santander.  He is the steadiest guy and the guy that I think teams fear the most.

[HakunaSakata]

16 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

The issue with trading Santander or Hays is mostly you have teams that are struggling as being the potential trade partners.  Normally that isn't a great fit.

I brought this up in another thread too. The time to trade those players will be during the offseason. Mountcastle too. I'd be perfectly fine with seeing two out of three of them traded during the offseason. 

[ChosenOne21]

I don't want to trade our top 100 guys for a rental unless that rental is an absolute star. Even then I'd probably rather not. I'd want someone with at least one extra year of team control before I'm considering moving Ortiz/Norby/Kjerstad/Mayo/Cowser

[HakunaSakata]

The problem is the OH posters have a very wide interpretation of  what "doing very litttle" means. If he trades for another solid RP and a rental SP I think that would be more than very little and I'd be fine with it. Then he can try to sell off some of the vets (Santander, Hays, Mountcastle, etc.) in the offseason to address our bigger/long term starting pitching problem. Considering there's nearly 50 page thread on trading for Ohtani, I'm guessing quite a few people would disagree with me though because they're hell bent on us needing to make a blockbuster move now. 

[wildcard]

58 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

I would not be upset and assume he thought the acquisition not cost effective.   There is no magic bullet that is going to get us a WS but certainly ways to increase our chances.  I’m interested to see what he does but I’m also not going to cry if Fujinami is the only move.   I doubt that’s the case though.  Elias is talking the talk so I do expect something more significant than Fuji.  Be shocked if it’s one of the name starters but could be.

Elias talked the talk before the winter meeting last year also.    I am just waiting and watching.

[RZNJ]

6 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Elias talked the talk before the winter meeting last year also.    I am just waiting and watching.

That should be be the road map to what he says vs. the type of move.  He talked a #1 - #3 starter and got Gibson and Irvin.

[btdart20]

I think I'll be disappointed if they don't clear some of the IF depth, either from the top or the depth.  Mateo, Frazier, Urias, Westburg, Vavra, Mayo, Ortiz, Norby, and Prieto can all be MLB contributors.  With Gunnar, that's 10 players for 3 starting spots.  (Minus Frazier and plus Holliday if we're looking toward 2024.)  I'd still like to see a B/B+ tier RP, an incremental upgrade at SP, and/or reallocating the IF gains to another asset class/time horizon.  

I don't think Elias is done trading for pitchers for a playoff run though.

[interloper]

Why do I get the feeling we're gonna come away with, like, Carlos Carrasco... lol