FA Starters that fit Elias' pattern

[wildcard]

If Elias is looking for a starter that may put up an ERA under 4.00 with the O's  in 2024.   These starters projected to get 2 or 3 year contracts.  I think Elias would hold out for something in the 2/20-25M range.

In the last two years Elias has signed starters to one year contract but if he wants to improve to under a 4.00 ERA he may have to go two years.

Seth Lugo

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/lugose01.shtml

Michael Wacha

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/wachami01.shtml

Michael Lorenzen

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/lorenmi01.shtml

Nick Martinez

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/martini01.shtml

I am not saying Elias will go FA.  He may trade instead.  But I think he will consider both paths if he follows what he has done in the past.

Edited November 7, 2023 by wildcard

[Explosivo]

I'd add Lucas Giolito and Jordan Hicks.

[maybenxtyr]

1 hour ago, wildcard said:

If Elias is looking for a starter that may put up an ERA under 4.00 with the O's  in 2024.   These starters projected to get 2 or 3 year contracts.  I think Elias would hold out for something in the 2/20-25M range.

In the last two years Elias has signed starters to one year contract but if he wants to improve to under a 4.00 ERA he may have to go two years.

Seth Lugo

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/lugose01.shtml

Michael Wacha

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/wachami01.shtml

Michael Lorenzen

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/lorenmi01.shtml

Nick Martinez

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/martini01.shtml

I am not saying Elias will go FA.  He may trade instead.  But I think he will consider both paths if he follows what he has done in the past.

Honestly, I'd rather resign Gibson than either of those 4 names.

[IPlayGM]

Those signings would go over like a fart in church around here…

[Aristotelian]

Yuck. We should not be repeating the pattern from when we were projected sub .500 looking for innings. We should try to improve, whether that is by FA or trade. Gray is the cheapest guy who would be an actual TOR starter. If we can't afford him, then trade Cowser/Stowers/Norby. I supported Gibson last year but this year we should be aiming higher.

[Aristotelian]

I will add that we have seen a progression from Maikel Franco, to Odor/Lyles, to Gibson/Frazier/Givens. It is reasonable to expect further progression, the question is how much. If ever there was a time to take a bigger step forward it would be at the opening of our Adley-Gunnar-Holliday window coming off a 100+ win season.

[wildcard]

1 hour ago, IPlayGM said:

Those signings would go over like a fart in church around here…

What did the OH think about Gibson when he was signed last fall?

[Aristotelian]

7 minutes ago, wildcard said:

What did the OH think about Gibson when he was signed last fall?

I was disappointed but supported it. If that's all we get this year I will have a more negative reaction.

[Sports Guy]

10 minutes ago, wildcard said:

What did the OH think about Gibson when he was signed last fall?

People didn’t like it…felt it was a similar move to Lyle’s..which it was.

You are essentially saying they are going to do the same thing…which they may but this doesn’t help us nor does it move the needle in any way.

[wildcard]

1 hour ago, Aristotelian said:

Yuck. We should not be repeating the pattern from when we were projected sub .500 looking for innings. We should try to improve, whether that is by FA or trade. Gray is the cheapest guy who would be an actual TOR starter. If we can't afford him, then trade Cowser/Stowers/Norby. I supported Gibson last year but this year we should be aiming higher.

MLBTR has Gray signing for 4/90m.   I don't see the O's doing that.

[wildcard]

8 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

People didn’t like it…felt it was a similar move to Lyle’s..which it was.

You are essentially saying they are going to do the same thing…which they may but this doesn’t help us nor does it move the needle in any way.

I picked these 4 guys because I think they have a chance to have a sub 4.00 ERA.    That is lower than Lyles or Gibson.    

[Matt Bennett]

Pass. Time to break the pattern. 

Give Sonny Gray 5 years at whatever million. Angelos is swimming in it. 

[btdart20]

Just now, wildcard said:

I picked these 4 guys because I think they have a chance to have a sub 4.00 ERA.    That is lower than Lyles or Gibson.    

As an SP?  Why do you think they'll be sub 4.00 ERA guys?  A few are mostly bullpen guys through their careers.  

Do you think they are likely to be better than Means/Kremer?

[wildcard]

5 minutes ago, Matt Bennett said:

Pass. Time to break the pattern. 

Give Sonny Gray 5 years at whatever million. Angelos is swimming in it. 

This time a year a lot of O's fans say that.   It does not happen.

Elias/Holt has developed GRod, Bradish and Kremer.   They will develop Johnson, McDermott and Povich.   They just need a stop gap starter for a year.   It will be counter culture for them to pay big money for a starter this off season.

[Sports Guy]

2 minutes ago, wildcard said:

This time a year a lot of O's fans say that.   It does not happen.

Elias/Holt has developed GRod, Bradish and Kremer.   They will develop Johnson, McDermott and Povich.   They just need a stop gap starter for a year.   It will be counter culture for them to pay big money for a starter this off season.

You have got to stop with this everything this going to go perfect outlook you have. It’s fine to be positive but you are incredibly unrealistic.