Bowden: Burnes potential suitors including Os

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16 minutes ago, ScGO's said:

What are the Brewers looking to do next season? Rebuild or compete?

If they are trying to compete, they need offense. Perhaps the trade includes a Santander, Mountcastle, Hays, and/or Mullins? 

I also think the O's need Devin Williams. Again, what are the Brewers trying to do next year though?

If they are trying to rebuild, what prospects bag Burnes? Williams? Both?

Ortiz, Westburg, Cowser, Povich, Beavers, McDermott could get us both

Only one year of Burnes is a big deal.  An alternate approach says half the number of prospects gets you double the years of Cease and Robert Stephenson could be had in FA for $4-6 million AAV with prospects left over for the trade deadline.  If Mike Elias has shown us anything, it's that he has a disciplined approach toward valuation.

I would love to get Devin Williams, but it might be more advantageous to try to work a separate deal for him alone.  Maybe Hays, or Ortiz and a lottery ticket if necessary.

[Aristotelian]

I'd see if they bite on Cowser or Kjerstad. Pass if the price is Basallo or Mayo. At least it is a sign Elias is thinking about making a bold move this year. 

[MarCakes21]

ESPN proposes the big move of Burnes for Mayo straight up.  Who bites?

[Sports Guy]

4 minutes ago, MarCakes21 said:

ESPN proposes the big move of Burnes for Mayo straight up.  Who bites?

Definitely not the Os

[Frobby]

5 minutes ago, MarCakes21 said:

ESPN proposes the big move of Burnes for Mayo straight up.  Who bites?

Whoever proposed that bites. 

[Roll Tide]

28 minutes ago, MarCakes21 said:

ESPN proposes the big move of Burnes for Mayo straight up.  Who bites?

Why would you give a Uber prospect for 1 year of a pitcher you’re probably not going to extend. If you could buy out 2024 and add 2-3 years…..something like 4/60 that would be a different story.

Say 13, 13, 15, 19 million per or something like that. Maybe they could include some bonus money to make it more attractive.

 

[RZNJ]

1 minute ago, Roll Tide said:

Why would you give a Uber prospect for 1 year of a pitcher you’re probably not going to extend. If you could buy out 2024 and add 2-3 years…..something like 4/60 that would be a different story.

Say 13, 13, 15, 19 million per or something like that. Maybe they could include some bonus money to make it more attractive.

 

Why would Burnes sign something like that?  That’s ridiculous.

[Frobby]

6 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

Why would Burnes sign something like that?  That’s ridiculous.

If he thinks his arm is about to fall off, a la Chris Tillman.  Otherwise, not even close.  

[Roll Tide]

43 minutes ago, Frobby said:

If he thinks his arm is about to fall off, a la Chris Tillman.  Otherwise, not even close.  

Closer to 80?

[Frobby]

45 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

Closer to 80?

Put it this way: 

After  traded for Jose Berrios, he was extended one year before free agency for 7/$119 mm.  He had a career ERA+ of 108 at the time.  

After Seattle traded for Luis Castillo, he was extended one year before free agency for 5/$108 mm.   He had a career  ERA+ of 124 at the time.

Burnes has a career ERA+ of 129.   

I’m guessing it would take 6/$150 mm to convince Burnes to extend.   

 

Edited November 24, 2023 by Frobby

[Roll Tide]

10 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Put it this way: 

After  traded for Jose Berrios, he was extended one year before free agency for 7/$119 mm.  He had a career ERA+ of 108 at the time.  

After Seattle traded for Luis Castillo, he was extended one year before free agency for 5/$108 mm.   He had a career  ERA+ of 124 at the time.

Burnes has a career ERA+ of 129.   

I’m guessing it would take 6/$150 mm to convince Burnes to extend.   

 

I’m in ….but I don’t expect John Angelos would be in.

[MarCakes21]

2 hours ago, Frobby said:

Whoever proposed that bites. 

I agree after Tony's write up.  I think a lot of us were thinking less of Mayo until then (except Roy).  I wouldn't pull the trigger either, but a Burnes trade puts this staff near the top in the bigs.

[Frobby]

36 minutes ago, MarCakes21 said:

I agree after Tony's write up.  I think a lot of us were thinking less of Mayo until then (except Roy).  I wouldn't pull the trigger either, but a Burnes trade puts this staff near the top in the bigs.

I like Burnes a lot, I just don’t want to put that many eggs in a one-year basket.  

[MarCakes21]

1 minute ago, Frobby said:

I like Burnes a lot, I just don’t want to put that many eggs in a one-year basket.  

Would you do Cowser for Burnes?  Westburg?  Kjerstad?

After those three I think lower tier and you'd be giving up multiples.

[Roll Tide]

40 minutes ago, MarCakes21 said:

I agree after Tony's write up.  I think a lot of us were thinking less of Mayo until then (except Roy).  I wouldn't pull the trigger either, but a Burnes trade puts this staff near the top in the bigs.

Mayo’s OPS this season was .973 and our 4th best prospect per MlB.com. Tony’s take makes you feel good but I’m not sure how you could think less of him.