Cease vs everyone else

[deward]

12 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

I still think our organization can withstand a Westburg, Cowser/Kjerstad package for Cease. We still have Ortiz, Mayo, and Holliday as IF prospects for 2024. We have Wagner, Horvath, Beavers, and EBJ as the next wave of bats. Plus 3 first rd picks. Long shot possibilities of comp picks for Santa, and Means. A comp pick for when Cease leaves.  Holliday ROY pick.  Basallo ROY pick.

I have faith that Elias can keep the pipeline of bats coming, while focusing more on SP, and hopefully getting some of the possible added picks from above. 

Overall, trading Westburg and Kjerstad/Cowser isn’t a back breaker or emptying the farm. 

I don't the right question is whether or not the org can absorb the loss, it's whether or not Cease is actually worth that price. Elias shouldn't be over-paying just because he can afford it.

[sportsfan8703]

21 minutes ago, deward said:

I don't the right question is whether or not the org can absorb the loss, it's whether or not Cease is actually worth that price. Elias shouldn't be over-paying just because he can afford it.

I don’t think it’s overpaying and there are some factors at play that just aren’t on field talent. 

1. Cease doesn’t cost $30 million a year. 
2. We keep him from the Yanks and Sox. 
3. We can afford to trade Westburg with Ortiz as his immediate replacement. Holliday at 2B, Mayo at 3B. Gunnar SS. Ortiz at Util is are best IF going forward. 
4. He’s one of our top 3 SP for the playoffs. 
5. We can afford to trade one of Cowser/Kjerstasd because we’d still have one of Cowser/Kjerstad, Beavers, EBJ, Wagner, Horvath, Fabian, and Hillard in the said mix do replace Santa, Hays, and Mullins. 
6. Three first rd picks this year. 
7. A comp pick for Cease when he leaves. 
8. Wells gets bumped to the pen that solves the need for a RH reliever. 

Edited January 8 by sportsfan8703

[Roll Tide]

16 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

I don’t think it’s overpaying and there are some factors at play that just aren’t on field talent. 

1. Cease doesn’t cost $30 million a year. 
2. We keep him from the Yanks and Sox. 
3. We can afford to trade Westburg with Ortiz as his immediate replacement. Holliday at 2B, Mayo at 3B. Gunnar SS. Ortiz at Util is are best IF going forward. 
4. He’s one of our top 3 SP for the playoffs. 
5. We can afford to trade one of Cowser/Kjerstasd because we’d still have one of Cowser/Kjerstad, Beavers, EBJ, Wagner, Horvath, Fabian, and Hillard in the said mix do replace Santa, Hays, and Mullins. 
6. Three first rd picks this year. 
7. A comp pick for Cease when he leaves. 
8. Wells gets bumped to the pen that solves the need for a RH reliever. 

My contention is that he’s not worth 2 top 100 and 2 other top Org prospects. The Reds ask that was reported by their beat writer was way too much with or without a 5th player. If the cost is anywhere in the zip code a deal isn’t getting done …at least not with the Orioles. 

[Roll Tide]

47 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

No way I'm giving up any of the big three for Cease. He's not the kind of talent that you trade one of them for.

Or the 4 guys rumored in the Reds deal. 

[waroriole]

21 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

I don’t think it’s overpaying and there are some factors at play that just aren’t on field talent. 

1. Cease doesn’t cost $30 million a year. 
2. We keep him from the Yanks and Sox. 
3. We can afford to trade Westburg with Ortiz as his immediate replacement. Holliday at 2B, Mayo at 3B. Gunnar SS. Ortiz at Util is are best IF going forward. 
4. He’s one of our top 3 SP for the playoffs. 
5. We can afford to trade one of Cowser/Kjerstasd because we’d still have one of Cowser/Kjerstad, Beavers, EBJ, Wagner, Horvath, Fabian, and Hillard in the said mix do replace Santa, Hays, and Mullins. 
6. Three first rd picks this year. 
7. A comp pick for Cease when he leaves. 
8. Wells gets bumped to the pen that solves the need for a RH reliever. 

You say it’s not overpaying but all your arguments are that we can afford it. Make it make sense. 

[interloper]

If Cease goes to the Yankees or Red Sox, I'm not exactly shaking in my boots over that. 

[ThisIsBirdland]

I think the team is well aware of the multitude of benefits that would come with acquiring Cease; they're pursuing him for a reason. I think Westburg + Cowser/Kjerstad would be accepted by the White Sox if it was on the table, so since a deal hasn't happened yet, I doubt Elias has made that offer. I also don't anticipate he'll up the offer to that level if he hasn't already done so.

My guess is he has various offers out there, they're probably the best on the table for the White Sox currently, and if they aren't ultimately surpassed in the next few weeks, there's a good chance the White Sox will accept whichever one they prefer.

[Moose Milligan]

1 hour ago, sportsfan8703 said:

I don’t think it’s overpaying and there are some factors at play that just aren’t on field talent. 

1. Cease doesn’t cost $30 million a year. 
2. We keep him from the Yanks and Sox. 
3. We can afford to trade Westburg with Ortiz as his immediate replacement. Holliday at 2B, Mayo at 3B. Gunnar SS. Ortiz at Util is are best IF going forward. 
4. He’s one of our top 3 SP for the playoffs. 
5. We can afford to trade one of Cowser/Kjerstasd because we’d still have one of Cowser/Kjerstad, Beavers, EBJ, Wagner, Horvath, Fabian, and Hillard in the said mix do replace Santa, Hays, and Mullins. 
6. Three first rd picks this year. 
7. A comp pick for Cease when he leaves. 
8. Wells gets bumped to the pen that solves the need for a RH reliever. 

Dude, what do you eat for breakfast each day?  

[LookinUp]

On 12/19/2023 at 9:49 AM, emmett16 said:

Will Cease be traded before or after this thread hits 100 pages?  
 

I’m going with after.  

We're at 189. Will he be traded before page 300?

[interloper]

I still maintain the White Sox will end up accepting a deal from another team because it includes their #3 and #5 prospect, instead of a deal from us including our #5 and #10 prospect because they're smooth-brained over there. 

[sportsfan8703]

1 hour ago, Moose Milligan said:

Dude, what do you eat for breakfast each day?  

Oh, I forgot. The new group think of the board is that we don’t need Cease. 200 pages later. 

Differing opinions are good. 

[Moose Milligan]

10 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Oh, I forgot. The new group think of the board is that we don’t need Cease. 200 pages later. 

Differing opinions are good. 

It’s not that. It’s the consistent rosy outlook. 

[Tony-OH]

3 hours ago, RZNJ said:

Sure seems like someone tried to drum up bidding between the Orioles, Braves, and Reds.    Then it was the Yankees and the Mets.   Now they aren’t trading Cease at all because the price isn’t being met.  Kinda sounds like there’s only one team left standing, the Orioles.

Sounds like a pretty good assessment based off the noise out there. Someone could pop back into the situation, but either they need to come off their price tag or hope they can find a desperate team come the trading deadline. 

[sportsfan8703]

3 hours ago, deward said:

I don't the right question is whether or not the org can absorb the loss, it's whether or not Cease is actually worth that price. Elias shouldn't be over-paying just because he can afford it.

I think both. I think Cease is worth it. We can absorb the lost of a Westburg, Cowser/Kjerstad package. The board was being homerish thinking that Cowser, Ortiz, and McDermott, were enough to get it done. 

But all of that is just my opinion. If Ortiz is such a plug and play SS for 6 years, then you would think the Dodgers would be beating down our door for him. I guess we found out what the rest of MLB thinks about him. 

[OriolesMagic83]

1 hour ago, LookinUp said:

We're at 189. Will he be traded before page 300?

What did the Texieira thread get to?  Is a Hangout baseball thread record in sight?