Jackson Holliday 2024

[Rojo13]

1 hour ago, ledzepp8 said:

To be fair it’s such a small sample size, he could go 6 for his next 6 abs and be batting .225. I don’t think he should be sent back down unless he goes something like another another 1/25. At the very least, he seems to be having some more solid contact even without getting hits. 

Well it certainly doesn't look like he'll be winning Rookie of Year award. And if we send him down for like the tiniest amount of time, we get him for another year, right? I think if this poor hitting continues it's financial mismanagement not to send him back down.

Grayson got sent down and came back way better.

[Billy F-Face3]

What I'd like to see in the next game Holliday plays, is for him to keep his eyes following through on the ball when he swings. In the last game I saw, he was yanking his head off the zone when he swung and couldn't see the bat to the ball. He was missing wildly and it wasn't even competitive.

So, keep your eye on the ball! Follow all the way through!

If your swing is so violent that it's yanking your head off the sight of the ball, then adjust your mechanics because you can't hit what you can't see!

[Rbiggs2525]

7 hours ago, Billy F-Face3 said:

What I'd like to see in the next game Holliday plays, is for him to keep his eyes following through on the ball when he swings. In the last game I saw, he was yanking his head off the zone when he swung and couldn't see the bat to the ball. He was missing wildly and it wasn't even competitive.

So, keep your eye on the ball! Follow all the way through!

If your swing is so violent that it's yanking your head off the sight of the ball, then adjust your mechanics because you can't hit what you can't see!

I agree. He seems like a very hard worker. The past day and half I would hope he’s watching his previous AB’s to see how he’s being pitched. Looks like most pitchers are going up in the zone to strike him out. 

[DenPA2002]

Good article on CBS Sportsline website about him and his approach at the plate.

[tntoriole]

This thread is eerily similar to Cowser discussion last year… at some point, it may become needed  to reset and go back down .. Willie Mays and Mickey Mantle are famous examples  

[Frobby]

Just now, tntoriole said:

This thread is eerily similar to Cowser discussion last year… at some point, it may become needed  to reset and go back down .. Willie Mays and Mickey Mantle are famous examples  

To the contrary, Mays is a famous example of when a manager stuck with a young player despite his early struggles.  Not sure what the story was with Mantle, but he didn’t have any big struggles.   

[Satyr3206]

4 minutes ago, Frobby said:

To the contrary, Mays is a famous example of when a manager stuck with a young player despite his early struggles.  Not sure what the story was with Mantle, but he didn’t have any big struggles.   

I am pretty sure Mantle's problem occurred in the Minors. He wanted to quit and his Dad chewed him out.

[Frobby]

2 minutes ago, Satyr3206 said:

I am pretty sure Mantle's problem occurred in the Minors. He wanted to quit and his Dad chewed him out.

That rings a bell.   

[emmett16]

41 minutes ago, DenPA2002 said:

Good article on CBS Sportsline website about him and his approach at the plate.

Jackson Holliday has struggled in MLB debut so far, but here are three reasons to believe in Orioles prospect (msn.com)

I agree, it does sum it up pretty nicely.  I'm still not worried.  It's been one week.....

[Pickles]

14 minutes ago, Satyr3206 said:

I am pretty sure Mantle's problem occurred in the Minors. He wanted to quit and his Dad chewed him out.

Yes, Mantle got sent down in 1951 during his first year after a double header in which he struck out 5 times.  His father met him in AAA, which was Kansas City as I recall.

Mantle started to "cry" to his father that he didn't think he could cut it in the bigs, and is father pulled out his suitcase and started packing it for him, saying, "If that's what you think, I'll take you home and you can go to work in the mines."

Needless to say, Mantle stayed and the rest is history.

[kidrock]

14 minutes ago, Pickles said:

"I'll take you home and you can go to work in the mines."

 

Wow, brutal.  What a story

[tntoriole]

44 minutes ago, Frobby said:

To the contrary, Mays is a famous example of when a manager stuck with a young player despite his early struggles.  Not sure what the story was with Mantle, but he didn’t have any big struggles.   

“This Day in Yankees History (July 16)

69 years ago

Mickey Mantle is demoted to Double-A Kansas City after stumbling out of the gate in his rookie campaign. The Mick, at the time, was wearing #6, and had a terrible initial run in the minors as well, going 0-22 to begin his assignment. The fateful phone call with Mantle’s father followed, and the rookie turned his season around, batting .361 for the Blues and earning a role back with the major league club. The rest, as they say, is history.

Mantle’s early struggle should serve as a good reminder for us all if Jasson Dominguez goes 3-38 to start the 2023 season.”

 

[Frobby]

28 minutes ago, Pickles said:

Yes, Mantle got sent down in 1951 during his first year after a double header in which he struck out 5 times.  His father met him in AAA, which was Kansas City as I recall.

Mantle started to "cry" to his father that he didn't think he could cut it in the bigs, and is father pulled out his suitcase and started packing it for him, saying, "If that's what you think, I'll take you home and you can go to work in the mines."

Needless to say, Mantle stayed and the rest is history.

Interestingly, Mantle’s slump wasn’t really that awful.   He had a .763 OPS when he was sent down in mid-July, and had been struggling a bit for 6-7 weeks, posting a .675 OPS over 40 games.  Needless to say, Holliday has been struggling a lot more than that, though it’s only been 7 games.  

[tntoriole]

52 minutes ago, Frobby said:

To the contrary, Mays is a famous example of when a manager stuck with a young player despite his early struggles.  Not sure what the story was with Mantle, but he didn’t have any big struggles.   

You are exactly right about Mays .. my point was that even HOF players often struggle early.   And Willie was kept even defensively by Leo as the best CF ever.. 

 

From SABR 

https://sabr.org/bioproj/person/willie-mays/

 

 

 

 

Manager Tommy Heath informed Mays that he had been called up to the Giants. Mays’ response: “Tell Leo I’m not coming.”24Heath called, and Durocher laid into Mays on the phone. Mays told him that he didn’t feel that he could hit big-league pitching. Durocher, speechless for perhaps the first time in his life, finally broke his silence and asked Mays what he was hitting. Mays answered, “.477.” (He had a current 16-game hitting streak and a .799 slugging percentage, and was on a pace to score more than 150 runs and drive in 120.) Durocher asked, very quietly but with some scatological punctuation, “Do you think you can hit .250 for me?” Mays responded in the affirmative.25 He was on the next plane to meet the team in Philadelphia. Stoneham bought an ad in the Minneapolis Tribune to assuage the local fans’ outrage at losing their young star.

The Giants were 17-19, in fifth place, on May 25, the day Mays joined the team at Shibe Park. Durocher immediately installed the 20-year-old in center field. The Giants won all three of the games in Philadelphia, though Mays was hitless in his first 12 at-bats. Despite his batting woes, when the team returned to the Polo Grounds, Mays’ first home game saw him batting third against the Boston Braves and their star southpaw Warren Spahn. In his first at-bat, he hit Spahn’s offering atop the left-field roof for a home run, his first major-league hit.

After the homer, Mays went on a 0-for-13 slide, leaving him hitting .038 (1-for-26). At this point, in an often-told story, Mays sat in front of his locker, crying, after taking the collar again. Coaches Freddie Fitzsimmons and Herman Franks sent for Durocher. Mays again said he couldn’t hit big-league pitching. Durocher replied, “As long as I’m the manager of the Giants, you are my center fielder. … You are the best center fielder I’ve ever looked at.”26 Then he told Mays to hitch up his pants more to give himself a more favorable strike zone; he proceeded to go on a 14-for-33 tear.

[tntoriole]

2 minutes ago, tntoriole said:

You are exactly right about Mays .. my point was that even HOF players often struggle early.   And Willie was kept even defensively by Leo as the best CF ever.. 

 

From SABR 

https://sabr.org/bioproj/person/willie-mays/

 

 

 

 

Manager Tommy Heath informed Mays that he had been called up to the Giants. Mays’ response: “Tell Leo I’m not coming.”24Heath called, and Durocher laid into Mays on the phone. Mays told him that he didn’t feel that he could hit big-league pitching. Durocher, speechless for perhaps the first time in his life, finally broke his silence and asked Mays what he was hitting. Mays answered, “.477.” (He had a current 16-game hitting streak and a .799 slugging percentage, and was on a pace to score more than 150 runs and drive in 120.) Durocher asked, very quietly but with some scatological punctuation, “Do you think you can hit .250 for me?” Mays responded in the affirmative.25 He was on the next plane to meet the team in Philadelphia. Stoneham bought an ad in the Minneapolis Tribune to assuage the local fans’ outrage at losing their young star.

The Giants were 17-19, in fifth place, on May 25, the day Mays joined the team at Shibe Park. Durocher immediately installed the 20-year-old in center field. The Giants won all three of the games in Philadelphia, though Mays was hitless in his first 12 at-bats. Despite his batting woes, when the team returned to the Polo Grounds, Mays’ first home game saw him batting third against the Boston Braves and their star southpaw Warren Spahn. In his first at-bat, he hit Spahn’s offering atop the left-field roof for a home run, his first major-league hit.

After the homer, Mays went on a 0-for-13 slide, leaving him hitting .038 (1-for-26). At this point, in an often-told story, Mays sat in front of his locker, crying, after taking the collar again. Coaches Freddie Fitzsimmons and Herman Franks sent for Durocher. Mays again said he couldn’t hit big-league pitching. Durocher replied, “As long as I’m the manager of the Giants, you are my center fielder. … You are the best center fielder I’ve ever looked at.”26 Then he told Mays to hitch up his pants more to give himself a more favorable strike zone; he proceeded to go on a 14-for-33 tear.

Who needs modern analytics, swing analysis, mechanics coaches ?

 “Just hitch up your pants a bit more “… Leo Durocher