Jackson Holliday 2024

[Yossarian]

5 hours ago, lazyjc22 said:

Make him watch non stop Tony Gwynn highlights on the flight to KC.

If they're going to KC, maybe he should watch George Brett highlights. 

[RichmondVA Orio]

Going 1 for 25 is not hard to do. I would imagine many HS Senior players could do that if given 25 at bats in the big leagues. Not saying Holliday is not worthy, just how bad going 1 for 25 is. Had someone not been on 1st, he could be 0 for 25.

I would like to see him more aggressive early in the count and more protective late in the count.

Edited April 18 by RichmondVA Orio

[PeregrineT]

I mean, heres where we really find out if Holliday is cut out for the majors and if he has the character to fight through major adversity right off the bat right?  Saw a good point that there was a guy previously that started 4 of 55, and that was ole #8.  Mike Trout didnt get his batting average up to .200 until May 31st of his first season.  Ideal? Absolutely not.  But when the franchises all-time hits leader started with the same slump its something to pay attention to.

[Roll Tide]

5 hours ago, PeregrineT said:

I mean, heres where we really find out if Holliday is cut out for the majors and if he has the character to fight through major adversity right off the bat right?  Saw a good point that there was a guy previously that started 4 of 55, and that was ole #8.  Mike Trout didnt get his batting average up to .200 until May 31st of his first season.  Ideal? Absolutely not.  But when the franchises all-time hits leader started with the same slump its something to pay attention to.

I don’t think we need to talk in absolutes here. It’s possible he’s just not ready. Look at Cowser last year compared to this season.

[Brooks The Great]

22 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

I don’t think we need to talk in absolutes here. It’s possible he’s just not ready. Look at Cowser last year compared to this season.

Cowser never had the chance to play every day. It wasn't a similar situation to Holliday's callup outside of poor initial results. Holliday is being given a long leash to struggle and try to figure things out. Cowser had no such opportunity last season. Elias and Hyde were too enamored with Aaron Hicks. 

Edited April 18 by Brooks The Great

[Bemorewins]

5 hours ago, PeregrineT said:

I mean, heres where we really find out if Holliday is cut out for the majors and if he has the character to fight through major adversity right off the bat right?  Saw a good point that there was a guy previously that started 4 of 55, and that was ole #8.  Mike Trout didnt get his batting average up to .200 until May 31st of his first season.  Ideal? Absolutely not.  But when the franchises all-time hits leader started with the same slump its something to pay attention to.

Is this a serious statement? 

Did we find out if Cowser was “cut out for the majors” last season when he struggled? Did we find out about Grayson last season when he struggles so much that he had to be sent down?

Just curious, how long have you watched baseball? I ask because I have read several of these hyperbolic reactions when the kid hasn’t even played a full week of games and the first thing that I a think is what is this poster’s frame of reference? Have they not watched various top players/prospect struggle when first coming to the show?

I don’t mean to be insulting but it get’s a little exhausting reading these type of instantaneous indictments of a 20 year-old uber-talented kid who has not found his groove after 25 ABs.

[IPlayGM]

24 minutes ago, Bemorewins said:

Is this a serious statement? 

Did we find out if Cowser was “cut out for the majors” last season when he struggled? Did we find out about Grayson last season when he struggles so much that he had to be sent down?

Just curious, how long have you watched baseball? I ask because I have read several of these hyperbolic reactions when the kid hasn’t even played a full week of games and the first thing that I a think is what is this poster’s frame of reference? Have they not watched various top players/prospect struggle when first coming to the show?

I don’t mean to be insulting but it get’s a little exhausting reading these type of instantaneous indictments of a 20 year-old uber-talented kid who has not found his groove after 25 ABs.

And the difference with Cowser and Holliday is the team around him. Right now, our lineup is deep and talented, which allows them to let Holliday struggle through without majorly affecting the outcomes of games. Plus there really isn’t an incumbent player pushing him for time. Hays was the entrenched starter last year when Cowser came up, so the only way he was going to play in a pennant race was if he hit as he has this year.

The problem with Holliday is purely this: unrealistic expectations. Give him some time. We will reap the benefits of this patience later in the season. You add his bat to what we already have?!?! Watch out!

[DirtyBird]

35 minutes ago, IPlayGM said:

The problem with Holliday is purely this: unrealistic expectations. 

What were the expectations?

[Sports Guy]

39 minutes ago, IPlayGM said:

And the difference with Cowser and Holliday is the team around him. Right now, our lineup is deep and talented, which allows them to let Holliday struggle through without majorly affecting the outcomes of games. Plus there really isn’t an incumbent player pushing him for time. Hays was the entrenched starter last year when Cowser came up, so the only way he was going to play in a pennant race was if he hit as he has this year.

The problem with Holliday is purely this: unrealistic expectations. Give him some time. We will reap the benefits of this patience later in the season. You add his bat to what we already have?!?! Watch out!

So, we should have expected a sub 200 OPS?

 

 

[Frobby]

29 minutes ago, DirtyBird said:

What were the expectations?

[Sports Guy]

 

[IPlayGM]

1 hour ago, DirtyBird said:

What were the expectations?

I think many were expecting him to come up and not miss a beat.

[IPlayGM]

58 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

So, we should have expected a sub 200 OPS?

 

 

I’m not sure what we were to expect. But expecting some struggle is realistic. 

[clapdiddy]

I think everyone just needs to relax.   If we're still having this conversation in 2 weeks, then maybe they will send him back down.  I'm guessing that the kid figures it out and will be fine.  

[Rbiggs2525]

Just now, clapdiddy said:

I think everyone just needs to relax.   If we're still having this conversation in 2 weeks, then maybe they will send him back down.  I'm guessing that the kid figures it out and will be fine.  

+1.