Cole Irvin 2024

[Just Regular]

1 minute ago, Philip said:

Re: your first paragraph. Are you saying that Irvin himself signaled to Hyde that he was tired?

I heard it like he was trying to tell the manager don't mess with me, it's my game.     Hyde did not listen after one batter reached.

Matt Harvey kind of messed that up for the Old Hoss Radbourn types, which probably most starters except Erik Bedard think they are.

MASN hasn't gotten around to probing Grayson Rodriguez's feelings about his current IL stint, as best I can tell.

[Cheetos]

3 hours ago, Philip said:

I wasn’t enraged at the decision to pull Irvin, but I did think it was poor management. He could’ve continued, but to your point I actually don’t think Hyde manages to win every game.

we have talked often about the white flag lineups, and starting weak players for reasons that aren’t very good. Hyde never does anything on a whim, I don’t think, but his reasoning is often flimsy.

A bunch of good players can compensate for a lot of poor decisions, But a lot of the second-guessing is entirely justified.

Let me be clear that hyperbole is by definition, never justified, but in a sporting environment, it is certainly understandable.

 

We won 101 games last year and are 21-11 this year.  What’s our record both years with a manager who manages to win every game.  Provide reasoning how managing to win every game that gets us better results doesn’t destroy our bullpen and wear out starting players without providing no days off.  

[Philip]

1 hour ago, Cheetos said:

We won 101 games last year and are 21-11 this year.  What’s our record both years with a manager who manages to win every game.  Provide reasoning how managing to win every game that gets us better results doesn’t destroy our bullpen and wear out starting players without providing no days off.  

Your comment was a bit obtuse. I’m not saying Hyde manages to win every game. On the contrary, I don’t think he does. Over time, it doesn’t matter, if the team is good enough. 

In a 162 game season, the following happens: good decisions fail, bad decisions succeed, and an excellent team will tend to overcome the former and maximize the latter.

it is entirely possible, on a game by game basis and in hindsight, to pinpoint a given decision and say it lost or won the game, but a good team, especially an excellent team, will overcome that and succeed anyway.

Royals Review constantly complained about Ned Yost’s managing,so much they coined a term for a stupid decision: “Yosted.” And the Royals were constantly being “Yosted” during games. But the ‘14-15 team was so good anyway they went to two WS and won one.

Given a good enough team, bad decisions will be overcome. And we have a good team.

[Billy F-Face3]

Here's the thing about Hyde pulling Irvin with only 75 pitches, according to his comments after the game...

In previous games it was mentioned that each reliever is told who they might be facing prior to the game so they could prepare. Hyde said he had the middle of the order coming up and it was the 7th inning. Essentially what he was saying was they were sticking to their script no matter what.

And personal conjecture: The last strike thar Irvin threw to strike out his last batter was a cookie right down the middle and it just happened that the batter wasn't looking for a fastball so he froze up. I think that Hyde saw the location of that pitch and it also contributed to his decision.

Now it doesn't mean I agree with it because I thought we could have at least preserved Danny Coulombe for tonight's game if we had let Irvin try to get through another inning. He was doing great.

But whatever. Hyde knows what he is doing and the victory is all that really matters in the end. Irvin gets a W on his resume and the Orioles gets a team win. There's nothing to be upset about with that.

[Moose Milligan]

You’re gonna have to drag Cole Irvin kicking and screaming to the bullpen. 

[Malike]

25 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

You’re gonna have to drag Cole Irvin kicking and screaming to the bullpen. 

He looks kind of soft, might not be too hard.

[Billy F-Face3]

He's in the rotation to stay. (Unless something happens mid-season in the middle of the MLB trading frenzy.)

[Cuellar35]

45 minutes ago, Billy F-Face3 said:

He's in the rotation to stay. (Unless something happens mid-season in the middle of the MLB trading frenzy.)

Deservedly so.

[Safelykept]

4 hours ago, Billy F-Face3 said:

He's in the rotation to stay. (Unless something happens mid-season in the middle of the MLB trading frenzy.)

Then Who goes to the Pen?

[Filmstudy]

The Diamondbacks absolutely destroy LHP (.857 OPS, tops in ML) and the Orioles are going to start back-to-back lefties in this series.

Don't get me wrong, I would  not change the rotation now with things going well, but I'm going to be very impressed if they get another good start from Means after what Irvin just accomplished.

The Orioles are in a much better spot with regard to starter diversity than they were in 2023 and I think that's a very good thing for OPACY.

[emmett16]

3 hours ago, Safelykept said:

Then Who goes to the Pen?

No one.  They will go to a 6 man rotation and keep Burned on a regular schedule.  Means, Bradiah, and GRod can use the extra day to help manage their workload.  

[Cuellar35]

As we saw last year winning the division means far less now with 3 wild cards making the playoffs.  It was mentioned numerous times last year how so many Orioles pitchers were approaching innings numbers they had never exceeded that it was becoming concerning.  A 6 man rotation, with Burnes staying on his normal rest, might help alleviate that.  I just want this team healthy and ready to go in October.  On the other hand, did anyone think we would have this sort of starting pitcher depth at the start of the year?  Like our position player depth it is a good problem to have!

[Billy F-Face3]

12 hours ago, Safelykept said:

Then Who goes to the Pen?

We utilize a 6 man rotation just like the 2nd half of last season. With each starter pitching well and going deeper in games, the bullpen roster should be able to manage. Save arm bullets for the playoffs.

[dystopia]

3 minutes ago, Billy F-Face3 said:

We utilize a 6 man rotation just like the 2nd half of last season. With each starter pitching well and going deeper in games, the bullpen roster should be able to manage. Save arm bullets for the playoffs.

I don't think they'll do that, and I don't think Burnes would like it. 

[Billy F-Face3]

4 minutes ago, dystopia said:

I don't think they'll do that, and I don't think Burnes would like it. 

It's already been reported that they are planning it when Rodriguez returns, snd that Burnes will keep his usual 5 day rotation. This is also a good way to reset the rotation so that Burnes ends up seperating the lefties in the rotation.