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Roll Tide Hangout Grand Counsel

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You wouldn't trade Hardy if you can extend him. But if he can't be, then why not trade him at the deadline? You can sign him as FA in the fall. Guthrie 's value to us is limited to thenext year at more money from arbitration. I you can get a long term solution, and some estra piecs for him, why not take the hit for the remainder of the season. This of course contingent on where the team ia at the deadline. If by some miracle the SP starts to gel, like last fall, the offense produces like they have in June, and the team goes on a run for 20 games or so then maybe you keep them.

I'd trade Hardy & our most reliable pitcher for

a 1B Alonso

a LF Frazier

a SS Cozart

a RP Boxberger

& a potential #2 starter Josh Smith

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Roll Tide Hangout Grand Counsel

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IMO Can't believe these results. You would do this deal in a heartbeat. Too bad' date=' there's no way the Reds would do this.[/quote']

For Guthrie ands Hardy ??? I fixed your statement for you.

The proposed deal is for

Alonso (not a elite prospect)

Wood (a #4 starter type)

Boxberger ( a relief arm)

Cozart ( a Bordick type SS prospect)

and a B- / C+ Class A/Low A pitching prospect

Why wouldn't they?

My propsed deal is different in that they'd give up Frazier and keep Wood. And the 5th player is Josh Smith who is performing well in the low minors.

Cozart, Alonso, and Frazier aree basically fluff. They need to be out of AAA for the sake of age and that they have nothing left to prove at that level. And are block players.

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For Guthrie ands Hardy ??? I fixed your statement for you.

The proposed deal is for

Alonso (not a elite prospect)

Wood (a #4 starter type)

Boxberger ( a relief arm)

Cozart ( a Bordick type SS prospect)

and a B- / C+ Class A/Low A pitching prospect

Why wouldn't they?

My propsed deal is different in that they'd give up Frazier and keep Wood. And the 5th player is Josh Smith who is performing well in the low minors.

Cozart, Alonso, and Frazier aree basically fluff. They need to be out of AAA for the sake of age and that they have nothing left to prove at that level. And are block players.

What part of my sentence would make you think it wasn't just my opinion?

Anyway, Alonso may not be an elite prospect but he is just below that. Wood has similar talent level to Guthrie, just younger and cheaper. And I'm pretty sure the Reds haven't given up on him enough to be a throw in on a deal after one bad season at the age of 25. And Cozart could be alot better than a Bordick type.

I would say that just getting Wood, Cozart, and Boxberger with a a high upside throw in prospect is more of fair deal than the one posted.

They're not trading Hardy anyway. They want him to hold the spot for the next 2-3 pre-Machado years.

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You wouldn't trade Hardy if you can extend him. But if he can't be, then why not trade him at the deadline? You can sign him as FA in the fall. Guthrie 's value to us is limited to thenext year at more money from arbitration. I you can get a long term solution, and some estra piecs for him, why not take the hit for the remainder of the season. This of course contingent on where the team ia at the deadline. If by some miracle the SP starts to gel, like last fall, the offense produces like they have in June, and the team goes on a run for 20 games or so then maybe you keep them.

I think you totally missed the point of my post. I'm all for trading both of them, but the return needs to be better than a bunch of B-/C+ guys.

If Trea is right about anything, it's that we will never compete without great talent. In the proposed trade, only Alonso looks even potentially much above average, and that's questionable.

Get a really good deal for one or both players or keep them and re-sign or stockpile picks.

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What part of my sentence would make you think it wasn't just my opinion?

Anyway' date=' Alonso may not be an elite prospect but he is just below that. Wood has similar talent level to Guthrie, just younger and cheaper. And I'm pretty sure the Reds haven't given up on him enough to be a throw in on a deal after one bad season at the age of 25. And Cozart could be alot better than a Bordick type.

I would say that just getting Wood, Cozart, and Boxberger with a a high upside throw in prospect is more of fair deal than the one posted.

[b']They're not trading Hardy anyway[/b]. They want him to hold the spot for the next 2-3 pre-Machado years.

Again ...I fixed it for you .... Unless you have a source...And they just might trade him IMO ... If they got the right package and If he wont extend before the deadline.

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El Gordo Hangout Grand Counsel

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I think you totally missed the point of my post. I'm all for trading both of them, but the return needs to be better than a bunch of B-/C+ guys.

If Trea is right about anything, it's that we will never compete without great talent. In the proposed trade, only Alonso looks even potentially much above average, and that's questionable.

Get a really good deal for one or both players or keep them and re-sign or stockpile picks.

I would rather trade Guthrie For Alonso and Wood, and Hardy(if he won't extend) to SF for Zack Wheeler.
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Again ...I fixed it for you .... Unless you have a source...And they just might trade him IMO ... If they got the right package and If he wont extend before the deadline.

Are you kidding me???

This is a fan message board, anything under my user name is coming from me. If it wasn't then I would need to put in a reference from where I heard or read my information.

I do not need to start off every sentence with in my opion. No **** it's my opinion. It's in my post.

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The Maestro Major Leaguer Cup of Coffee

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I would rather trade Guthrie For Alonso and Wood, and Hardy(if he won't extend) to SF for Zack Wheeler.

I like your thinking and couldn't agree more. I'm not big on packaging our 2 best trade chips in the same package. Never have been, probably never will.

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