Would you trade Guthrie for Colby Rasmus?

[LookinUp]

Colby Rasmus is a top flight talent. He'll translate.

The issue is two-fold. #1. We really are not offering nearly enough. I'd offer Jones and see if they take it, but anything less is probably a pipe dream. You don't get Rasmus for Guthrie and bullpen help. You better throw in at least one really nice prospect, and Bundy isn't going anywhere.

#2. Rasmus isn't happy in St. Louis. What makes anyone think he'd be happy with the O's? His dad wants him in NY eventually. I'm not seeing a scenario where we suddenly become a franchise that he really values playing for.

[OFFNY]

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So how is Guthrie doing with his new team ? Oh yeah .......... he's still on the Orioles.

I think that the power of suggestion from the numerous "Would you trade Guthrie?" threads is affecting my psyche.

[Sports Guy]

Fine, pick whatever adjective you would like. Your objection is pointless.

Not really..the point is just flying over your head.

You are offering too much in that deal, which is the point.

I like Rasmus a lot but to trade them Guthrie(who could fetch 1-2 very good prospects himself), JJ(who could also fetch a decent package) and 2 very good prospects is way too much to give up for Rasmus.

[Scrat1]

Not really..the point is just flying over your head.

You are offering too much in that deal, which is the point.

I like Rasmus a lot but to trade them Guthrie(who could fetch 1-2 very good prospects himself), JJ(who could also fetch a decent package) and 2 very good prospects is way too much to give up for Rasmus.

Internet slap-fight aside, I think you're underestimating Rasmus' value. As I said earlier, this is like the Upton trade threads from last year. Or the Wright trade threads from this year. Or Billy Butler.

If we could get Rasmus for the package Stoner listed, I'd absolutely pull the trigger. I don't think the Cards would, though.

[Stotle]

Internet slap-fight aside, I think you're underestimating Rasmus' value. As I said earlier, this is like the Upton trade threads from last year. Or the Wright trade threads from this year. Or Billy Butler.

If we could get Rasmus for the package Stoner listed, I'd absolutely pull the trigger. I don't think the Cards would, though.

The reason the deal is too high a price to pay is that I believe you only get three years of Rasmus. Upton was already extended at a very reasonable rate. Rasmus isn't going to fetch a package -- if he goes at all it will be in a 1-1, 1-2 or 2-2, I'd imagine.

[Stotle]

If the Mets pick-up a huge chunk of the Beltran contract, they could move him to STL for Rasmus. Rays could move Shields and probably get Rasmus +1. Rays could also look to move Upton so someplace like San Francisco to clear up future payroll -- Desmond Jennigns is ready.

[Nick The Stick]

I have to agree with SG here. A package of Guthrie + Johnson (two ML pitchers of value) + prospects is too much for Rasmus.

[Sports Guy]

Ohh, I guess I was confused since the link Hank provided showed 5 suggested packages for Rasmus each with value at least equal to what I said.

I didn't even read the link...Because it doesn't matter.(i didn't see it either)

The reason the package is too much is because we are trading 2 pieces that can bring back several more pieces plus 2 very good pieces of our own.

That's the problem with the package. I would love to add Rasmus but this team has more holes than just one player, especially a player that isn't as good as he should be and its hard to imagine that Baltimore is the change of scenery he needs.

Obviously you make the deal for Guthrie and I am ok with including JJ in the deal but adding 2 very good prospects becomes way too much and makes little sense for us.

[DrungoHazewood]

Of course. Put him in CF, move Jones to left, sell Lee/Vlad for peanuts, put Reimold/Scott at 1B/DH and fail a tiny bit less.

Sorry, channeling NMS today.

[Roll Tide]

Dierkes is on MLB Traderumors Live Chat ... He had this to say

2:21 Comment From Ace

Is there anyone (besides Pence) that doesn't appear to be getting shopped, but you think SHOULD be?

2:21 Jeremy Guthrie comes to mind. He seems near peak value to me.

He thinks Guthrie value is at its peak.

[Roll Tide]

Also this was posted on another site....

Starter Jeremy Guthrie has been a player that many teams want to help their playoff pushes. The Boston Red Sox in particular is the one team that has expressed major interest in Guthrie. Though they have arguably the best starting three pitchers in the AL (Beckett, Lester, and Buchholtz), Guthrie could help revive a struggling back end of their rotation that includes John Lackey and Andrew Miller. He is 3-12 with a 4.18 ERA and a 1.33 WHIP. Hopefully the O's can get some solid young starters in return for this 32 year old veteran

[PHRESH]

Also this was posted on another site....

I'd gladly ship Guts to BOS for a package that included Middlebrooks, Lars, plus an arm.

[LookitsPuck]

Debating this is pointless as he is apparently not even available, but the O's would be crazy to turn down Rasmus for Guthrie, Johnson, and those two quality arms.

If I'm St. Louis though, there is no way I'd accept that.

The hell? I would not do that trade at all.

[RVAbird]

Oops. I voted for option 1 but did not see option 4. Highly doubt the Cards do this, though if they are intent on grabbing a pitcher and the market is limited I could see them thinking about a deal centered around Guthrie and JJ.

If you could ship Guthrie+ for Rasmus and move Adam Jones for a bigger, younger haul, you'd have yourself quite a net gain.

[Malike]

Debating this is pointless as he is apparently not even available, but the O's would be crazy to turn down Rasmus for Guthrie, Johnson, and those two quality arms.

If I'm St. Louis though, there is no way I'd accept that.

Guthrie, Johnson, Bridwell, and Bundy for Rasmus? Chris, you really think they'd turn that down? There is no way in hell they turn that down, and we'd be getting fleeced.