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Is it worth paying a sub 3.0 fWAR player an average of $14 million per season for the next three years when he's likely hit his peak?I'd rather give that money to a difference maker.

Spending money on non-premium guys is the problem this franchise has and Markakis just doesn't bring enough to the table to justify his salary IMO. His defense has declined with his bat and he's not a leader in the clubhouse. He's a complementary piece but not somebody you build around.

But yet you advocate doing this for Jones, an inferior player.

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But yet you advocate doing this for Jones, an inferior player.

Maybe in the latter part of that deal. But Jones won't cost as much as Markakis for the next few years even with an extension. He'll be worth his contract at that point and still has a chance to be better than that. Markakis is likely what he is right now.

The point is to save salary to load up for a short term run, which is the only way we'll win anything with this core.

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It all depends on the return(s), but I'm about ready to clean house, top to bottom. Problem being that I don't trust the FO - at all - to bring back max value for our best players, which makes me think cleaning house would be nothing short of catastrophic.

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Maybe in the latter part of that deal. But Jones won't cost as much as Markakis for the next few years even with an extension. He'll be worth his contract at that point and still has a chance to be better than that. Markakis is likely what he is right now.

He is under control the next 2 year anyway.

And Jones COULD be better but he is likely no more than a 780-820 OPS, average-ish defensive player. I just don't see how you can say Nick has to be dealt but yet Jones can/is a cornerstone player..Makes no sense.

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Is it worth paying a sub 3.0 fWAR player an average of $14 million per season for the next three years when he's likely hit his peak?

I'd rather give that money to a difference maker.

Spending money on non-premium guys is the problem this franchise has and Markakis just doesn't bring enough to the table to justify his salary IMO. His defense has declined with his bat and he's not a leader in the clubhouse. He's a complementary piece but not somebody you build around.

Markakis has played most of his career here with good stats for the most part. Just remember 1 thing, he has only had 1 person protecting him in the lineup worth anything.

Markakis is a solid player, rarely hurt or misses a day.. he's not the homerun guy others touted him to be, but he's not a bad ballplayer. So.. if it was up to me, I'd put better players around him. 10 years+ of rebuilding has to stop.

BTW, I don't follow all those geek-stats, they merely cloud the day-to-day stats in MY mind. I'm a KISS fan.

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He is under control the next 2 year anyway.

And Jones COULD be better but he is likely no more than a 780-820 OPS, average-ish defensive player. I just don't see how you can say Nick has to be dealt but yet Jones can/is a cornerstone player..Makes no sense.

What Jones brings to CF is more valuable than what Nick brings in RF. It's that simple.

It's harder to find an Adam Jones than a Nick Markakis. Jones is one of the best offensive CFers in baseball.

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What Jones brings to CF is more valuable than what Nick brings in RF. It's that simple.

It's harder to find an Adam Jones than a Nick Markakis. Jones is one of the best offensive CFers in baseball.

Adam Jones brings the same or worse WAR to his position than Nick does to his.

Nick is just the better baseball player.

Jones really should be in LF.

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Trade Adam Jones & Jim Johnson to Atlanta for Julio Teharen.

Trade JJ Hardy to Cinci for Alonzo and Cozart

Trade Guthrie to St. Louis for Rasmus

Trade Reynolds to Milwaukee for Gamel & Tyler Thornburg

Trade Markakis to San Fran for Gary Brown & Eric Surkamp

My bad.. I was dreaming again.

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Imagine being a good ballplayer like Markakis or Jones, and seeing the same thing from your team, night after night. Starters can't go past the 5th or 6th inning, sub-par fielders in left field, AAAA players filling holes, ineffective relievers losing leads, older players being brought in that are nothing more than stop-gap fixes, the FO does the same thing continuously like a broken record. Compound that by YEARS.. it has to weigh heavily on your psyche.

I'm not making any excuses for the players on the O's, but for pete's sake, they are human.

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Adam Jones brings the same or worse WAR to his position than Nick does to his.

Nick is just the better baseball player.

Jones really should be in LF.

I basically agree with you, but can we all agree that McPhail should at least entertain the thought of moving any of these guys if they bring back a possible 1-3 starter, a legit 1B prospect, or much needed "real" minor league positional talent?

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I'd trade Nick before I'd trade Jones. At this point, I see Nick's upside as a very good #2 hitter. I just don't have faith in his power coming back. And - while I like Nick's defense better - I'd take my chances with AJ's bat.

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I basically agree with you, but can we all agree that McPhail should at least entertain the thought of moving any of these guys if they bring back a possible 1-3 starter, a legit 1B prospect, or much needed "real" minor league positional talent?

Oh sure...I am not saying Nick is untouchable.

I am just saying that Trea's logic with Jones and Markakis is both inconsistent and wrong.

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Nobody's untouchable. But I'm not trading Nick just because he has some money coming. I'd need two potential studs to trade him (or Jones).

This. I'd be OK trading any of those guys (except Jones I think). But if you do, you sure as heck better get a serious return.

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