Derek Jeter and Pete Rose, what do they have in common?

[ElToro75]

Tax trouble.

Pete Rose had his problems with taxes, and it looks like Derek Jeter is in a little tax trouble himself.

[Mad Mark]

This should be interesting...

Other than the utterly enjoyable schadenfreude aspect of the whole thing, this likely sends a message to many athletes who make their off-season homes in states w/ no income tax, but are employed by states with high income taxes: "we're gonna get ours, sucka!"

[Mark Carver]

The State of MD tried this with Brady Anderson when he claimed his residence in Las Vegas NV. They went to court and the State LOST the argument.

[ElToro75]

The State of MD tried this with Brady Anderson when he claimed his residence in Las Vegas NV. They went to court and the State LOST the argument.

I didn't know that, or if I did I forgot

Question: Is it also true that the athletes pay taxes in all states they perform in as well?

[JastonThor]

too bad the real answer and comparison between the two players is they're simply great hitters with incredible wrist speed and pitch recognition skills.

[os1971]

I didn't know that, or if I did I forgot

Question: Is it also true that the athletes pay taxes in all states they perform in as well?

I believe that is correct, but not all states will enforce. Some do as I understand. Its relatively easy money for states to get based on the ML schedule and salaries being published.

[scOtt]

They're both overrated spray hitters?

[Maverick2143]

The State of MD tried this with Brady Anderson when he claimed his residence in Las Vegas NV. They went to court and the State LOST the argument.

Lets just say this one will never make it to court.

They will sit down at a big table the State will say here's our evidence and here is your bill. Jeter's lawyer will probably make a mess in his pants, if he hasn't already, and then he will ask to negotiate a settlement.

[DrungoHazewood]

They're both overrated spray hitters?

They both prove the point that you can be one of the ~100 best players who ever lived and still be overrated.

[Dr. FLK]

They both prove the point that you can be one of the ~100 best players who ever lived and still be overrated.

Do you consider Rose one of the best 100 players of all time? He had a career OPS < 800. I know he had a million hits, but he did play for 23 seasons. He had a career average just over 300 and no power. He didn't even steal bases. Is the best singles hitter of all time in the top 100 ever in the opinion of "stat people"?

[DrungoHazewood]

Do you consider Rose one of the best 100 players of all time? He had a career OPS < 800. I know he had a million hits, but he did play for 23 seasons. He had a career average just over 300 and no power. He didn't even steal bases. Is the best singles hitter of all time in the top 100 ever in the opinion of "stat people"?

Rose is a little bit like Connie Mack. Mack managed for an eternity, and was also a pennypinching owner, too. So people tend to think he was just some guy who owned the team, could never get fired, and had a losing record in 7755 games managed.

But they miss out on the fact that at his peak, when he wasn't dealing with Connie Mack the owner, he built some ridiculous dynasties. His team in the early teens was spectacular, and his team in the late 20s regularly won the pennant in the same league as the Ruth/Gehrig Yankees. He was a great manager, and that was obscured by the fact he often managed teams of teenagers after he'd sold off all of his stars, and he held on until he was quite literally senile.

Rose is like that. Sure, he played for years as one of the worst players in the game because he was Pete Rose and nobody could quite bring themselves to tell him to stop. And he wouldn't have listened anyway. But he had 17 years with and OPS+ over 100, was over 125 ten times. He had a .400 OBP five times. And he played in an era where offenses were much lower than today. He won two gold gloves, and he was at least a decent defender at about five different positions. And, of course, he had the whole Pete Rose schtick where he ran everywhere, all the time. If you want to dock him a few hundred hits because he held on too long, fine... he has over 1000 more than Cal Ripken to spare.

Now, I think he's basically a soulless scoundrel who doesn't see the evil in putting money on baseball games while you're involved in baseball. And his punishment is just and right. But had he not committed baseball's cardinal sin he'd definitely be worthy of the Hall.

Just for fun, here's Pete's career totals had he retired after 1980:

YEAR TEAM         AGE G    AB    R    H    2B  3B  HR   HR%   RBI  BB   SO   SB   CS  AVG   SLG  OBA   OPS1963 Reds         22  157   623  101  170  25   9   6   0.96   41   55   72   13  15  .273  .371  .334  .705 1964 Reds         23  136   516   64  139  13   2   4   0.78   34   36   51    4  10  .269  .326  .319  .645 1965 Reds         24  162   670  117  209  35  11  11   1.64   81   69   76    8   3  .312  .446  .382  .828 1966 Reds         25  156   654   97  205  38   5  16   2.45   70   37   61    4   9  .313  .460  .351  .811 1967 Reds         26  148   585   86  176  32   8  12   2.05   76   56   66   11   6  .301  .444  .364  .808 1968 Reds         27  149   626   94  210  42   6  10   1.60   49   56   76    3   7  .335  .470  .391  .861 1969 Reds         28  156   627  120  218  33  11  16   2.55   82   88   65    7  10  .348  .512  .428  .940 1970 Reds         29  159   649  120  205  37   9  15   2.31   52   73   64   12   7  .316  .470  .385  .855 1971 Reds         30  160   632   86  192  27   4  13   2.06   44   68   50   13   9  .304  .421  .373  .793 1972 Reds         31  154   645  107  198  31  11   6   0.93   57   73   46   10   3  .307  .417  .382  .799 1973 Reds         32  160   680  115  230  36   8   5   0.74   64   65   42   10   7  .338  .437  .401  .838 1974 Reds         33  163   652  110  185  45   7   3   0.46   51  106   54    2   4  .284  .388  .385  .773 1975 Reds         34  162   662  112  210  47   4   7   1.06   74   89   50    0   1  .317  .432  .406  .838 1976 Reds         35  162   665  130  215  42   6  10   1.50   63   86   54    9   5  .323  .450  .404  .854 1977 Reds         36  162   655   95  204  38   7   9   1.37   64   66   42   16   4  .311  .432  .377  .809 1978 Reds         37  159   655  103  198  51   3   7   1.07   52   62   30   13   9  .302  .421  .362  .783 1979 Phillies     38  163   628   90  208  40   5   4   0.64   59   95   32   20  11  .331  .430  .418  .848 1980 Phillies     39  162   655   95  185  42   1   1   0.15   64   66   33   12   8  .282  .354  .352  .706     TOTALS          2830 11479 1842 3557 654 117 155   1.35 1077 1246  964  167 128  .310  .428  .380  .807     LG AVERAGE           10603 1309 2777 441  82 239   2.25 1215 1015 1555  192 106  .262  .387  .328  .714     POS AVERAGE          10702 1386 2875 470  85 243   2.27 1234 1036 1491  182 109  .269  .397  .335  .731 

That's an OPS 70 points better than league and 3557 hits.

Edit: Here's a fun stat. You'll still see people claim Little Luis Aparicio was a great leadoff hitter, especially old O's fans who remember him leading off for the '66 Champs. Pete Rose had 10 years where he scored more runs than Luis Aparicio's career high.

[cindyluvsbrady]

I have to pay my taxes!

[Mark Carver]

I have to pay my taxes!

Your boy (Brady Anderson) didn't pay Maryland taxes when he played for the Orioles... he claimed Nevada residence, the State of MD took him to court claiming he was a residence of MD... the State of MD lost.

It's the same thing with Derek Jeter, so there should be no

[cindyluvsbrady]

Your boy (Brady Anderson) didn't pay Maryland taxes when he played for the Orioles... he claimed Nevada residence, the State of MD took him to court claiming he was a residence of MD... the State of MD lost.

It's the same thing with Derek Jeter, so there should be no

I had no clue Brady did that!!

Dont pick on me:p